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Bugs in I18n areas
by Ying Chun Guo 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

Hi, team I reported some I18n bugs to Horizon. I also associated these bugs with openstack-i18n in Launchpad. If you are interested in bug fix, please take a look at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n. Thanks. Regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Havana - Horizon translations update
by Julie Pichon 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

Hi all, I was reading Daisy's summary of the Summit's i18n events - lots of great stuff happening, that is awesome! :) I would like to clarify the current status of the Transifex repository, and next translation update. I think it would be awesome to get another translation update in 2013.2.1 (first Havana stable update, planned in early December [0]), to include improved translations and maybe even new languages who may have missed the first deadline. My understanding was that we stopped updating the strings in Transifex from master around Havana RC3, to avoid the Icehouse strings sneaking in. Is this correct? Are we still tracking the Havana strings in Transifex? Kind regards, Julie [0] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranchRelease#Planned_stable.2Fhavana…

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Translation check site (automatic Tx import is now resumed)
by Akihiro Motoki 24 Nov '13

24 Nov '13

Hi all, As we discussed in the last IRC meeting, I just resumed automatic translation import on the translation check site I am running. http://v157-7-133-23.myvps.jp:13580/ Username : demo / admin Password : opstjpHavana devstack with stable/havana release (today's latest) is running on the site. Translations are imported automatically from Transifex every hour. The list of available languages contains not only languages with Havana release but also languages with some translations on Transifex. If you don't see your language on the list, please let me know. Thanks, Akihiro

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Results of the meeting with Transifex
by Stefano Maffulli 23 Nov '13

23 Nov '13

hello all, I met with Transifex CEO yesterday as a follow up to the i18n tools and processes session in Hong Kong. As we agreed, I let them know that we're not happy with their decision to stop developing the Open Source version of Transifex and that because of that we've decided to look into alternatives for the medium term. For the short term we're still going to use Transifex, therefore the meeting was to understand how we can get some features we need. Below are some notes from the meeting. I have put Daisy in touch with Dimitris so they can talk directly from now on. I'm waiting for Dimitris to send us an estimate of the costs for the enterprise features that the i18n team needs. We'll keep the conversation going once we get that proposal. Cheers, Stef Notes ----- - Openstack interested in Sharing Teams and Reports/Analytics on translations. - Transifex will have a member of its team to handle OpenStack questions. Questions from OpenStack team ----------------------------- - How are PO files merged when translated offline and online at the same time. Requested docs from Tx team. Dimitris notes that with time more and more translators will work online. - In-context for docs: Need a way to see the text with the images for QA. Transifex is working on new technologies which will fully support this. - Managing multiple versions of a product. Dimitris shared 3 ways, best one was: Have one Project on Tx which is rolling release. When a maintenance version needs to be released, create a separate project temporarily. If the two projects share teams, TM, Glossary and have "Auto-fill 100% matches from Translation Memory" it will work great. Drawing: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lyjulmut1qtr5n6/IMG_20131121_123037.JPG - Add support to login via OpenID: Doable. -- Ask and answer questions on https://ask.openstack.org

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RFC: [Horizon translation] string "%(action)s %(data_type)s"
by Akihiro Motoki 20 Nov '13

20 Nov '13

Hi Horizon translators, I have a plan to make a small fix in Horizon strings in upstream code and if possible backport to Havana. Don't you have difficulties when translating a string "%(action)s %(data_type)s" in Horizon? It is used in two places: - to generate "action name" in the table (e.g. "Delete Network" in the pull-down menu and "Confirm Delete Network") - to generate "success message" (e.g. "Deleted Network: net2" in a success message pop-up) In Japanese we would like to use different translated strings for these strings (they are called "present" and "past" message respectively). Otherwise we can't get natural strings in translations. gettext has a mechanism called "message context", which allows us to translate a same string in different contexts. I have a plan to add a context to this string and allow us to use different translated words for the string. Once my fix is merged, we have the following entries in the PO file. The entries will become fuzzy, but we can reuse the existing translations so I believe the impact is small and we can get a benefit. Thought? Before proposing a patch, I would like to know feedbacks from I18N community. ---- #: tables/actions.py:562 #, python-format msgctxt "past" msgid "%(action)s %(data_type)s" msgstr "" #: tables/actions.py:564 #, python-format msgctxt "present" msgid "%(action)s %(data_type)s" msgstr "" --- Thanks, Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> / <motoki(a)da.jp.nec.com>

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I18n team meeting tomorrow
by Ying Chun Guo 20 Nov '13

20 Nov '13

Hi, all There will be OpenStack I18n team meeting at 0000UTC on Thursday (Nov 21th) in IRC channel #openstack-meeting. The time, we use Asia/America friendly time. Welcome to join the meeting. This is the first I18n meeting after Icehouse design summit. Summarize of the design summit in I18n areas can be found here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2013-November/000294.ht…. This time, we will cover following topics this time: * Horizon translation update * I18n team structure discussion * Reorganize wiki page * Blueprints & bugs tracking * Plans in Icehouse cycle * Open discussion For more details, please look into https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting. You can also contact us through IRC channel #openstack-translation, or mailing address: openstack-i18n(a)list.openstack.org. Please refer to our wiki page for more details in the I18n area: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam Regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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What's up and what's next? I18n team
by Ying Chun Guo 18 Nov '13

18 Nov '13

Hi, all The openstack summit was held last week. There were 4 sessions in total related with OpenStack I18n. I had chances to discuss with Doc team, Oslo team, Infra team and release management team about I18n tools and processes. I got very positive results. It turns out that leaders in OpenStack community think I18n as a very important area ( which is great ). I summarize what happened in the summit here. 1. Publishing translated documentation (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-doc-translation) The translated document publish process was discussed in this session. The decision was to have two servers to publish translated documents: official server and staging server. The official server will be used to publish the well translated documents. Staging server will be used to host the ongoing translated documents, which will help the review process. 2. Translation tools and scripts (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-summit-translation-tools-and-scri…) This discussion was held to decide whether we went away from Transifex (because of some well known reasons, if you don't know, please contact me) and moved to another translation platform. After comparing with several famous translation platforms, we figured out Transifex was the best one till now. As Transifex won't trun off in a short time, we will continue to use Transifex. At the same time, we will contact Transifex as well as other translation tool communities, to raise the feature requirements and see how they can satisfy us. Then we make decision in several months. 3. I18n policies of messages (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-oslo-i18n-policies) This session was to discuss the messages translation policies. The result was to separate messages ( log messages, API response messages, and etc ) into different po files, and let translation teams/coordinators to decide the translation priorities. Another result was to introduce message IDs to log messages, which will enable searching and bug diagnosis if log messages are not in English. (It's a great change from the software architecture view.) 4. Icehouse release schedule & coordination I had chance to explain our translation process with "big guys" in Openstack community. This session is more related with messages translation than documents translation. In a release cycle, message translations will be continuously imported into git repository. At last, the translation teams can decide which languages should be shipped with release. (None translation team supported languages will be removed.) Havana was called a conclusion, and Icehouse was just kicked off. We shall also make our plans in this release cycle. I have the following items in my mind: 1. Publish Japanese operation guide in the website. Operation guide in other languages are welcomed too. For translation teams, if you have plans to translate, please let me know. We can figure out a reasonable plan for the translation work. 2. Re-organize the I18n wiki page. Clearly list our team structure. I plan to use "I18n team" and "L10n teams" to manage. I18n team will be responsible for OpenStack I18n, which means to help OpenStack to become a software that can be localized. I18n includes setting up translation process, changing code infrastructure, and so on. L10n teams will be responsible for OpenStack L10n, including translation and localization. People can join both I18n team and his/her L10n team. People can join only 1 team also. The wiki page shall list clearly these information. Here are good samples: https://l10n.gnome.org/teams/ and http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/. 3. Use Launchpad to manage bugs and blueprints. Find a way to track the contributors. If we are not able to track them automatically, let's track them manually. Coordinators please help to track the contributors to your language translations. At least, remember and display their names. 4. Enable translation function in MediaWiki If we want to translate wiki page, we will use the translation function in MediaWiki itself to manage. 5. Separate log messages into different po files & enable messages IDs This work may need more developers to join. 6. Contact with Transifex, Pootle, Zanata, TranslationWiki to raise feature requirements. 7. Set up staging server for translated document review. 8. Continue translations in documents and messages. Surely I'm not able to do all these works myself and I need all kinds of help. If you are suggests/comments to these items, please speak out. If you are interested in some, please sign up. Let's start the discussion in the mailing list. We missed 1 IRC meeting because of the summit. We will have next IRC meeting next week on Nov 21th. At that time, hope we can have a clear plan at that time. Regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Horizon(Havana) found typing error at korean translation.
by Sungjin Kang 17 Nov '13

17 Nov '13

Hi, Sorry, Horizon korean translation is typing error. Firewall page -> Policy is “폴린드어(Polish)”…. :( So, I edited Transifex this string. :) This edit patch at next horizon update(2013.2.1). PLZ…. And where is typing error reporting? Launchpad?? or other?? Thanks, Sungjin

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Collecting requirements to translation tools
by Ying Chun Guo 17 Nov '13

17 Nov '13

Hi, I18n team One year ago, when the community was making the decision to use Transifex as the translation management tool, a table was made to compare several different tools: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aqevw3Q-ErDUdFgzT3VNVXQxd095bF… Now since Transifex began to close its source code, we will do another round of tool selection to find the translation management tool for Openstack translation. We will start from requirements collection. Here I listed some. (Some are copied from the old table. The last three items are newly added. ) * Cross-project translation teams * Cross-project translation memory * Good in-browser translation interface * Good in-browser review interface * Easy import/export of translation files * Support for all common translation formats * Git/GitHub Integration * Hooks for CI infrastructure * Management workflows that fit OpenStack process * Self-hosted * Proven success with large projects * API to gather statistics about translators * Easily see the translating context, i.g. the paragraph or section that contains the translation string. * Cross-project glossary and dictionary Please feel free to present your requirements to the translation management tool. If you know some good candidate tools, please speak out too. Let's find out the most appropriate tool together, and build a "wonderful" working environment for ourselves. Regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Interested in contributing translations for OpenStack
by Shilla Saebi 15 Nov '13

15 Nov '13

Hello, I signed up for an account in Transifex and attempted to add an available language (Persian - Farsi) but I was only able to request the language. Per the following link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Translation I should see an option to create language but I did not see that. Can you please take a look and let me know what's going on? Thanks a lot! Shilla Saebi

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] [Openstack-docs] On translations and ITS
by Tom Fifield 05 Nov '13

05 Nov '13

(CC OpenStack-i18n - consider joining!) A very nice lead in discussion to our two sessions related to this at the summit :) Right now, we have some custom code for 1 that has been customised for the OpenStack docs (for example, it excludes screen elements ;)), giving some of the practical benefits of ITS. It's in tools/generatepot. Looking forward to discussing more next week. Regards, Tom On 02/11/13 05:34, Shaun McCance wrote: > I have some experience (read: bias) in translation tools, so I'm writing > up a synopsis in the hopes in will be useful for the documentation > translation session at the summit next week. > > Document translation generally follows a three-step process: > > 1) Segmentation: A program takes the XML files and breaks it up into > chunks (often paragraphs) that can be individually translated and > tracked. These are usually stored in either PO or XLIFF files, but in > some systems they might be records in a database. > > 2) Translation: Translators translate those segments. They might edit > the PO or XLIFF files directly. They might use a graphical front-end. > They might do it through a web site that hides the files from them, but > still presents the individual segments. > > 3) Merging: A program takes the translated segments, matches them up to > the appropriate nodes in the source document, and writes a localized XML > file. > > Online tools like Transifex, Zanata, and Pootle are really about step 2, > but they often include code for steps 1 and 3 to give you an all-in-one > package. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, none of them use the W3C > Internationalization Tag Set (ITS) to accomplish those steps. Luckily, > they let you provide POT files and can give you PO files, which means > you can plug your own code in for steps 1 and 3. > > ITS is a W3C recommendation that provides a standard way to specify what > parts of a document are translatable, what elements are inline, and > various other things that are really critical for good segmentation. ITS > 2.0 was released this week, and addresses a whole slew of other issues. > > http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/ > > ITS lets you assert things about elements on a global level using XPath > expression. For example, let's say we don't want any of our screen > elements to be translated. We could use a rule like this: > > <its:translateRule translate="no" selector="//db:screen"/> > > Magically, hundreds of messages will disappear from translators' view, > allowing them time to have dinner with their families instead. You can > also mark things locally. So for example, if we don't want to exclude > all screen elements from translation, then on the ones we do want to > exclude, we'd write this: > > <screen its:translate="no"> > > You can also specify which elements are within text (inline), which are > space-preserving, where there are references to external resources like > images that have to be localized, and lots more. > > Biased opinion: If you have an XML translation process that doesn't > involve ITS, you're doing something wrong. (Disclosure: I was on the > working group that created ITS 2.0, and I'm the developer of itstool.) > > There are a number of tools that support ITS. Many of them work with PO > or XLIFF files, so you can plug them into most online translation tools. > I happen to be fond of my program, itstool, which supports PO files and > has a number of extensions that have been useful for other open source > projects like GNOME. > > http://itstool.org/ > > If you want a workflow that uses XLIFF files, you should look into > Okapi, a fantastic open source framework that supports ITS. > > http://okapi.sourceforge.net/ > > I do have a dog in this race, so I'm trying not to be too pushy. But > there are a lot of smart people who spent a lot of time figuring this > stuff out. If you have non-ITS segmentation and merging code, you'll > just end up chasing problems that have already been solved. > > If it's not obvious, I love talking about this stuff. So feel free to > ask me questions. > > Thanks, > Shaun > > > > _______________________________________________ > Openstack-docs mailing list > Openstack-docs(a)lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-docs >

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experiences and tips in ops-guide translation (a case of Japanese community)
by Akihiro Motoki 03 Nov '13

03 Nov '13

Hi I18N community, I summarized our experiences and tips of Japanese community in ops-guide translation. https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1kQN-9765PzNbTSw5YoSl9kNOsUU_Gj74HQZ… While several months passed after the ops-guide translation finished, I believe it is still useful to clarify requirements for document translations and it may bring us some ideas in the discussion in Hong Kong and the future. I don't think our approach works well for everyone and is ideal, but at least it works for us and makes us much efficient compared to a case where we use Transifex. Thanks, Akihiro

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Relevant sessions for i18n at the summit
by Tom Fifield 03 Nov '13

03 Nov '13

Hi, A couple of people have asked about sessions they can attend about i18n at the summit. Here's my list: Thursday November 7, 2013 11:00am - 11:40am AWE Level 2, Room 202 Translation tools and scripts http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/event/36d10d27f8a030c02fc35553cc24187… Tuesday, November 5 • 3:40pm - 4:20pm AWE Level 2, Room 202 Publishing translated documentation http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/event/a7731c633cd4c57d4647af8c5482941… Wednesday November 6, 2013 11:15am - 11:55am AWE Level 2, Room 201B I18n policies of messages http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/event/b55de8b048803806c9acace66c21f6d… Friday, November 8 • 5:00pm - 5:40pm Developing a Roadmap for Global Adoption: Exploring OpenStack's Globalization Best Practices http://openstacksummitnovember2013.sched.org/event/70cbdbcb75e4b20410d318e1… Friday November 8, 2013 4:10pm - 4:50pm AWE Level 2, Room 204-205 Icehouse release schedule & coordination http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/event/839c04a94f50b18f3b963d8e1c58707… Regards, Tom

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Collecting requirements to translation tools
by Dwayne Bailey 30 Oct '13

30 Oct '13

Hi There, I was pointed to this discussion while on #pootle. Let me give some feedback on the items listed on your Google Doc adding info as needed and correcting any errors that I see. - *Cross-project translation teams* - Not 100% sure of the exact needs here. Pootle has a user centric permissions model, users can have permissions for languages, projects and translation project (i.e. a project in a given language). - *Cross-project translation memory* - Yes served from Amagama our global TM server. Amagama is a publicly hosted server loaded with translations for FOSS projects, optimised for high speed Levenshtein distance measurement. - We're landing local TM in Pootle in the next few weeks. - *Strong Crowdsource community* - Does this mean the development team or the translators on a shared hosted platform, seems to indicate the later based on the current analysis. - Simple management interface for project resources - Would someone mind elaborating on what the main benefits or use case for resources are for openstack? - Good in-browser management of resource priorities - Would someone mind elaborating on what the main benefits or use case for resources are for openstack? - While we don't have resource priorities Pootle does allow you to place files into goals. These goals can be prioritised to ensure that translators focus on the most important aspects of translation first. - *Proven success with large projects* - LibreOffice, Apache OpenOffice, Mozilla - Firefox, Thunderbird, Firefox OS and website localisations, Evernote. - *API to gather statistics about translators* - Data is there, the API framework is in place but no active users so no finalised, published or stable API - *Easily see the translating context, i.g. the paragraph or section that contains the translation string.* - Yes. Have a look at http://mozilla.locamotion.org/bn_IN/firefox/translate/#filter=incomplete&un… - Surrounding translations even when moving through the editors in a filtered way. You can expand and contract this context as needed and it is hidden when stepping through all translations to remove clutter. - You will see location information e.g. file location as well as line number if that is the only context you have - msgctxt and notes are shown if present. We don't show anything that doesn't exists, which might explain the current comment on the spreadsheet. Pootle UI approach is that we only show what is available i.e. no comment then we won't show you a missing comment. - *Cross-project glossary and dictionary* - Yes. Cross-project, you can load any terminology resource into any language's Terminology project - A project specific terminology file can also be used. - We don't have any specific dictionary integration but use Weblookups for e.g. Wikipedia to make it easy to research source texts without leaving Pootle UI. - *Code maturity (age of the code)* - Pootle was officially released in Dec 2004, about the same time as Launchpad, http://translate.sourceforge.net/pootle-release-2004-12-16.html - So almost 9 years of history in Pootle. The Translate Toolkit is somewhat older. Virtaal, our desktop translation tool, is younger. - Query by filename (eg to assign particular xml files for translation within a resource, as in Japanese ops guide translation) - Does that mean you have a repo but only want to see certain files? - Pootle can ignore files, so the opposite of that - Merging of uploaded PO files, so that only translations that changed in the PO file are changed in the project. Avoids overwriting when multiple translators work offline. - Yes, when uploading you have 3 choices, overwrite (if you have permission), turn conflicts into suggestion or make everything a suggestion - We err on making things a suggestion if we can't resolve the change. So does mean you might need to review the suggestions for your translations. - Performance of translation memory matching for non-latin languages - We use Levenshtein matching. So we're not doing anything special for non-Latin languages. - Training available? (devs, users, none) - Not sure what the needs or wants are here exactly - We've trained localisers across Africa, in India and other places - Written localisation guides for FOSS - Run Translateathons - etc - Roadmap - We haven't published a public roadmap but will be doing that once we get 2.5.1 out the door. Scheduled to go into beta this week. - Technical Support - Translate provides commercial support and development, primarily development - There is an active community that assist on the mailing list and IRC channels. -- Dwayne *Translate* +27 12 460 1095 (work)

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Release Notes pt_BR
by Gabriel Wainer 30 Oct '13

30 Oct '13

Hi all, Finally, the pt_BR release notes are done. I've also added the link in the original page. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana/pt_BR Thanks! Gabriel.

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Translated documents publish processing discussion in HongKong summit
by Ying Chun Guo 28 Oct '13

28 Oct '13

Hi, In HongKong summit, there is a slot in doc track to discuss about publish process of translated documents. If you will attend the design summit, I hope you can join the discussion and share your points with us. Hope to see you there. Regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) ----- Forwarded by Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM on 2013/10/24 09:09 ----- Anne Gentle <anne(a)openstack.org> wrote on 2013/10/23 11:09:01: > Anne Gentle <anne(a)openstack.org> > 2013/10/23 11:09 > > To > > "openstack-docs(a)lists.openstack.org" <openstack-docs(a)lists.openstack.org>, > > cc > > Subject > > [Openstack-docs] Summit Doc track proposals due > > Hi all, > We have four proposals for four slots for the Summit, I'm happy to > combine or re-think the spots if someone else wants to hold a > discussion in Hong Kong. > > Application Developer Resources Everett Toews > Automated Doc Tooling - status & plans Tom Fifield > Status and future of the restructure Tom Fifield > Publishing translated documentation Anne Gentle > I'm trying to get Todd Morey to do a short show-n-tell of a new > design for the docs site at the Summit, will keep you all posted. > > I don't see any specific API talks here, guess we'll look for those > in the nova v3 sessions. > > I'm also working on hosting a post-Summit "live" review event online > where we go over what the plans are for Icehouse. > > Thanks, > Anne_______________________________________________ > Openstack-docs mailing list > Openstack-docs(a)lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-docs

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Release notes
by Ying Chun Guo 22 Oct '13

22 Oct '13

https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana#OpenStack_Documentation I feel the release notes should be translated too. Who has the same feeling ? Regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Translation Wikipage
by SungJin Kang 22 Oct '13

22 Oct '13

Hi, I find translate page for wiki. img: http://goo.gl/oXDGt2 May be... This use... img: http://goo.gl/fElejJ and Img: http://goo.gl/Y0eu1w Media wiki help page : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Language_policy I don't know use this function. Where can ask using this function?? Thanks, Sungjin.

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Collecting requirements to translation tools
by Carlos Munoz 18 Oct '13

18 Oct '13

Hi All, Parag just made me aware of this thread. I am the Team Supervisor for the Zanata project and just wanted to answer any questions you may have on the system. From what I read on the thread, below are the points you are looking for before choosing a system, so let me make a brief note about each of them. * Cross-project translation teams Zanata fully supports this. Translation teams are able to translate all projects to their assigned languages. * Cross-project translation memory Supported as well. Translators will be able to see the origin of a TM result. * Good in-browser translation interface Zanata has a rich translation editor that runs in the browser and supports an extensive set of keyboard shortcuts to make the process as quick as possible. * Good in-browser review interface We just introduced the review process into our latest version of Zanata, and are still making changes to make it as useful as possible. The review process happens in our translation editor as well, with 'Reviewers' being able to see an extended set of controls to comment, approve or reject translations. * Easy import/export of translation files Zanata has a maven, and a command line client to import and export translation files. * Support for all common translation formats Zanata supports PO, properties, and xliff. Other formats that are in experimental mode at the moment include OpenOffice, IDML, .txt, and a few others. * Git/GitHub Integration Zanta has a REST API which makes it very easy to integrate. If you look at our GitHub page, we have a small script that we are using to synchronize Git repositories with Zanata at the moment. It's on an early stage at the moment, and it's only a temporary solution as we are working on bringing a more robust solution to this requirement. * Hooks for CI infrastructure Not sure what you mean here. * Management workflows that fit OpenStack process We'll have to take a look at what those are. * Self-hosted We currently have a public instance available to everyone at http://zanata.org, but you are always welcome to donwload Zanata and start it up on your own infrastructure. * Proven success with large projects Zanata is currently used to translate projects like JBoss AS, RHEL, RHEVM, Ovirt, and countless other large projects. * API to gather statistics about translators Not yet. Zanata has the information, but it is just not exposed at the moment. * Easily see the translating context, i.g. the paragraph or section that contains the translation string. * Cross-project glossary and dictionary Zanata supports a global glossary, but not a dictionary. Let me know if you guys have any other questions. Regards, -- Carlos A. Munoz Software Engineering Supervisor Engineering - Internationalization Red Hat

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Pootle test server
by jeblair＠openstack.org 17 Oct '13

17 Oct '13

Hi, In Hong Kong there will be a design summit session to discuss translation tools: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/169 >From our last round of evaluating tools, Pootle was a close second to Transifex: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aqevw3Q-ErDUdFgzT3VNVXQxd095bF… To help make the design summit more productive, I have set up a simple test Pootle server so that we can examine it and answer any questions we might have before the design summit. You can log into the test server here: http://translate-dev.openstack.org/ I have done very little configuration of the system, I just wanted to get something up quickly for people to look at. I have imported nova, horizon, and openstack_dashboard as projects. Note that if you look at nova, the number of translated strings Pootle reports is less than transifex -- that's because Pootle has marked all of the fuzzy-matched strings as "needs work", and strings that "need work" don't count as being fully translated. One thing that I believed has changed since the last time we looked at Pootle is translation memory. Here are the current docs: http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/latest/features/translati… Since that describes how it uses an external translation memory populated with open source software by default, I believe that also means that Pootle's performance in the "crowdsource" category may have improved as well. I'm also optimistic about the integration with Git. Here's the documentation: http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/latest/features/version_c… It looks like we may have options for getting nice git commits out of this; it says a typical git commit message looks like this: Commit from GNOME Pootle by user Sipho. 80 of 100 messages translated (7 fuzzy). Also, from what I've seen, it should not be very difficult to integrate Pootle into the project infrastructure -- the deployment is fairly simple. Keep in mind this isn't a fully-formed proposal for a new system -- just a test server running a basic configuration so we can look into it and discuss it more at the Summit. Please feel free to log into the test server and play with it. After you log in, just let me know if you would like me to make your user an admin. -Jim

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I18n team meeting tomorrow
by Ying Chun Guo 17 Oct '13

17 Oct '13

Hi, We will have I18n team meeting at 0000UTC on Thursday (October 17th) in IRC channel #openstack-meeting. The time, we use Asia/America friendly time. Welcome to join the meeting. In the past 1 month, We have finished the busy Horizon translation. We completed 12 languages translations. That's great achievements. We will use this meeting to discuss our next work items. I have the following items in mind, and feel free to add the items in your mind too. * Evaluation of other possible translation tools * Discuss I18n policies to messages * Discuss translation timelines in a release cycle Let's meet tomorrow. Best regards Daisy

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] [openstack-dev] [oslo] i18n Message improvements
by Łukasz Jernaś 16 Oct '13

16 Oct '13

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Mathew R Odden <mrodden(a)us.ibm.com> wrote: > As requested in the last Oslo meeting, I created a blueprint for further > discussion on the i18n work in Icehouse here: > > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/i18n-messages > > There were some ideas from the meeting that I'm sure I wasn't quite fully > understanding, so please take a look and let me know if there is any > feedback. Hi, If I may include my 0.02€. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the need for translating API messages and log messages as IMHO it adds a lot more problems for app developers and log analysis tools, eg. a log analysis tool would be usable only for the locale it was developed for and break with _every_ update of the translations. As a translator myself I don't really want to check every system in existence if it uses my messages to do some sort analysis and often change the strings to more proper form in my language as reviews and feedback on the translation comes in - even though the original English string doesn't change at all. I feel that translating mostly computer facing stuff is just crying for bugs, weird issues popping up for users, API-s should be readable by humans, but translating them is a bit too far in my opinion. If I get it right the Message objects are supposed to move stuff around internally in a C/en locale, but we will still end up dropping translated messages to computers if the don't explicitly specify the locale which the request should use... Regards, -- Łukasz [DeeJay1] Jernaś P.S. Of course I may be wrong with all of that ;)

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Fwd: [openstack-dev] [oslo] i18n Message improvements
by Tom Fifield 16 Oct '13

16 Oct '13

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [openstack-dev] [oslo] i18n Message improvements Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:40:56 -0500 From: Mathew R Odden <mrodden(a)us.ibm.com> Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List <openstack-dev(a)lists.openstack.org> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List <openstack-dev(a)lists.openstack.org> As requested in the last Oslo meeting, I created a blueprint for further discussion on the i18n work in Icehouse here: _https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/i18n-messages_ There were some ideas from the meeting that I'm sure I wasn't quite fully understanding, so please take a look and let me know if there is any feedback. Also, just to try to recap the discussion and try to state where *I think* we want to head with i18n/Messages, this is where I think we want to go in Icehouse. Make Message objects in oslo less magical by removing a lot of the magic string methods/operators from the class. This doesn't necessarily mean removing all of the "magic" operators (I think __mod__ is still necessary, as pointed out in the whiteboard of the blueprint.) I think some of the functionality is useful to developers when dealing with Messages and strings (unicode strings only hopefully.) The overall shift in direction should be to make projects more aware of the Message objects, and we need to change those to utilize them better instead of trying to make Messages work in all project cases. This was one of the biggest challenges of how it works today; trying to make a Message into a "string". Changing projects to expect/use Messages instead of strings/unicode is necessary if our goal is to make Messages less magical. Some of the changes that need to be done to realize this are outlined in the blueprint, but the big ones are: - needing a better defined public API for messages like the translate() function - needing to utilize unicode (more likely six.text_type) in all areas in OpenStack projects instead of strings (although we should be trying to do this already) - catch any Messages and resolve to unicode before they exit any OpenStack code Any feedback on the blueprint or ML would be appreciated. Thanks, Mathew Odden, Software Developer IBM STG OpenStack Development

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Fw: [Openstack-translation] Free pass to OpenStack HongKong Summit
by Ying Chun Guo 12 Oct '13

12 Oct '13

Hi, team The free passes are still available. If translators from your team or yourself would like to join the HongKong summit in Nov, Please send me email. Hope to see more I18n people in the summit. (feel free to forward below email to your translation team) Thanks and regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) ----- Forwarded by Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM on 2013/10/12 14:28 ----- "Openstack-translation" <openstack-translation-bounces +guoyingc=cn.ibm.com(a)lists.launchpad.net> wrote on 2013/06/18 16:22:10: > Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN > Sent by: "Openstack-translation" <openstack-translation-bounces > +guoyingc=cn.ibm.com(a)lists.launchpad.net> > > 2013/06/18 16:22 > > To > > openstack-translation(a)lists.launchpad.net, > > cc > > Subject > > [Openstack-translation] Free pass to OpenStack HongKong Summit > > Hi, team > > The OpenStack Summit will be held in HongKong in Nov, 2013. All > active technical contributors can get a free registration code to > the summit. I think, translations are another kind of contribution > and should be recognized. But since the translations in the code > repository that are not marked with our names, some of you might not > receive emails with registration codes. I talked with the community > manager - Tom Fifield about this. Now the community agreed to give > us free registration code by a special process. > > If you and people in your translation team don't have the free > registration code but want to attend the summit, please let me know > the Transifex registration email and ID. I will get the free pass for you. > > To get more information about the summit, please refer to http:// > openstacksummitnovember2013.eventbrite.com/. > > Regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)-- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-translation > Post to : openstack-translation(a)lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack-translation > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

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Regarding OpenStack Manuals
by Tom Fifield 11 Oct '13

11 Oct '13

Hi, Just to let you know, I have just marked the following books to no longer accept translations: openstack-api-programming openstack-block-storage-admin openstack-compute-admin openstack-network-connectivity-admin openstack-object-storage-admin These books have been restructured during the Havana release. A lot of the content is the same, so we can keep them for translation memory - don't worry about any lost work! :) Will need to make some new "resources" in transifex. Regards, Tom

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