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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Would like Zanata branch to correct 1494819
by Douglas Fish 23 Sep '15

23 Sep '15

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Would like Zanata branch to correct 1494819
by Ying Chun Guo 23 Sep '15

23 Sep '15

Thank you for looking into it, Illya. I think we need to fix it, although the manually process might be a little complex. I'm going to: 1. Create a new version in Zanata 2. Mark master as read only 2. Pull the source files and the translation files. 3. Change the pluralities settings in Russian translation files. 4. Upload the source files and translation files to the new version. 5. Check if the all things are right, change master version name to "master-old", and then change the new version name to "master" How do you want to update these pluralities then? By program ? Or manually ? Is it possible to make the changes through Zanata UI, other than uploading po files ? Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) Douglas Fish/Rochester/IBM wrote on 09/23/2015 04:38:19 AM: > From: Douglas Fish/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS > To: ilyaalekseyev(a)acm.org > Cc: guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com, openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > Date: 09/23/2015 04:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Would like Zanata branch to correct 1494819 > > Hi Ilya, > > Thanks for looking at this! Unfortunately having 4 pluralities > confuses Horizon. I've tested out stripping one of the pluralities > and restoring the expected Plural-forms definition (just like the > one you linked) and it works great. > > I had hoped to just repair the PO files in this way and upload the > corrected translations to Zanata. > > Unfortunately, I understand from Daisy's research that once a > language/project has been created in Zanata in this way we cannot > just upload a PO file with corrected pluralities . More > investigation will be needed to understand the process to fix this. > > Doug > > > ----- Original message ----- > From: Ilya Alekseyev <ilyaalekseyev(a)acm.org> > Sent by: ilya(a)phpcoder.ru > To: Douglas Fish/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS > Cc: Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>, "openstack- > i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" <openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> > Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Would like Zanata branch to correct 1494819 > Date: Tue, Sep 22, 2015 2:39 PM > > Hi Doug and Daisy! > > Looks like we have wrong pluralities in current release: > in https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/ > openstack_dashboard/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/django.po > > we have: > "Plural-Forms: nplurals=4; plural=(n%10==1 && n%100!=11 ? 0 : n%10>=2 && n" > "%10<=4 && (n%100<12 || n%100>14) ? 1 : n%10==0 || (n%10>=5 && n%10<=9) || (n" > "%100>=11 && n%100<=14)? 2 : 3);\n" > > but in previuos releses we have: > "Plural-Forms: nplurals=3; plural=(n%10==1 && n%100!=11 ? 0 : n% > 10>=2 && n%10<=4 && (n%100<10 || n%100>=20) ? 1 : 2);\n" > > Last one is right for Russian. > > We can make translation in Zanata for 4 pluralities, but it can give > in some cases bugs with wrong plural forms. > > Kind regards, > Ilya Alekseyev. > > 2015-09-22 14:22 GMT+03:00 Douglas Fish <drfish(a)us.ibm.com>: > Hi Daisy, > > I am certain this issue is caused by plural forms. The issue with > missing menus is seen with the current 4 plural form translations; > when I correct the PO file to have 3 forms Horizon properly displaysthe menus. > > Doug > > > ----- Original message ----- > From: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM > To: Douglas Fish/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS@IBMAU > Cc: openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Would like Zanata branch to correct 1494819 > Date: Tue, Sep 22, 2015 12:49 AM > > Hi, Doug > > We need to consider it carefully. > > After working with Zanata dev team, I got to understand: > > 1. Zanata has its own plural forms. If po file has its own plural > form, Zanata will use that. > Otherwise, Zanata will use its own plural form. Pluralforms in Zanata: > nplurals=3; plural=(n%10==1 && n%100!=11 ? 0 : n%10>=2 && n%10<=4 && > (n%100<10 || n%100>=20) ? 1 : 2). > So it looks like that OpenStack po files overrode the pluralforms in Zanata. > > 2. Zanata currently don't allow update of plural forms once the > document has been uploaded to Zanata. > Even with deletion of that source document and re-upload (in the > same project-version, same doc name and same path), > Zanata will still reuse the old pluralform. > > 3. If we want to update the pluralforms, we will need to do it in > new project-version > (don't use copy-from previous version function). > > I think we need to carefully design the steps to change pluralforms > of Russian. > At first, I want to confirm with you, are you sure this issue is > caused by plural forms? > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > Douglas Fish/Rochester/IBM wrote on 2015/09/18 23:38:22: > > > From: Douglas Fish/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS > > To: guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com > > Cc: openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > > Date: 2015/09/18 23:38 > > Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Would like Zanata branch to correct 1494819 > > > > Hi Daisy, > > > > Yes, I understand - I don't think I can even propose my branch > > unless I am added as a translator by the Russian team. > > > > My proposal would include removing one plural form for > > 4 messages in horizon django.po > > 1 message in horizon djangojs.po > > 144 messages in openstack_dashboard django.po > > 0 messages in openstack_dashboard djangojs.po > > plus the pluralization specification would be updated in all 4 files. > > > > Doug > > > > ----- Original message ----- > > From: Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com> > > To: Douglas Fish/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS > > Cc: openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > > Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Would like Zanata branch to correct 1494819 > > Date: Fri, Sep 18, 2015 3:25 AM > > > > Are there a lot of changes in your proposed po files ? > > I'm still waiting for Russian team's response. > > > > Best regards > > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > > > > "Douglas Fish" <drfish(a)us.ibm.com> wrote on 09/18/2015 05:37:07 AM: > > > > > From: "Douglas Fish" <drfish(a)us.ibm.com> > > > To: openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > > > Date: 09/18/2015 05:38 AM > > > Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Would like Zanata branch to correct 1494819 > > > > > > Hi translation friends, > > > > > > I'd like to contribute 4 PO files for the Horizon Russian > > > translation to correct the issue > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bug/1494819 > > > > > > These uploads won't contain any new translations, but instead will > > > be an adjustment to the PO files so they have 3 pluralities, which > > is standard > > > http://localization-guide.readthedocs.org/en/latest/l10n/pluralforms.html > > > > > > Specifically, I plan to remove the msgstr[2] translation from the > > > files (because msgstr[2] is blank for many cases), rename the msgstr > > > [3] translation to msgstr[2] and adjust the plurality specification to > > > nplurals=3; plural=(n%10==1 && n%100!=11 ? 0 : n%10>=2 && n%10<=4 && > > > (n%100<10 || n%100>=20) ? 1 : 2); > > > > > > As discussed in the team meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/ > > > meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting. > > > 2015-09-17-13.00.log.html > > > please create a Zanata branch so I can propose these corrections > for review. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Doug > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Openstack-i18n mailing list > > > Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n > > > _______________________________________________ > Openstack-i18n mailing list > Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] IBM translations to contribute: update
by Ying Chun Guo 23 Sep '15

23 Sep '15

Hi, team I have made enough tests on the test server with the help from Doug and his colleagues. In the test server, I created versions for nova, glance, cinder, swift, ceilometer, heat, keystone, and ironic. Doug and his colleagues uploaded their po files for languages de, es, fr, it, ja ko-KR, pr-BR, ru, zh-CN, and zh-TW. I tested merging two versions. Things are running well. The test server is still in good condition. So there is no technical issues block me to do the same in the production server. I even tried "Group" in the test server. The "Group" feature looks wonderful. So if there is no objections, I will go to production server, doing the same as what I did in the test server. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) Douglas Fish/Rochester/IBM wrote on 09/18/2015 05:14:22 AM: > From: Douglas Fish/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS > To: guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com > Cc: openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > Date: 09/18/2015 05:14 AM > Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] IBM translations to contribute: update > > Hi Daisy, > > We have translations to contribute for ceilometer, cinder, glance, > heat, ironic, keystone, nova and swift for languages de, es, fr, it, > ja ko-KR, pr-BR, ru, zh-CN, and zh-TW > > We are working to upload those to the Zanata test server to make > sure there are no technical issues. > > Doug > > ----- Original message ----- > From: Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com> > To: Douglas Fish/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS > Cc: "Openstack-i18n Openstack-i18n" <openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> > Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] IBM translations to contribute: update > Date: Thu, Sep 17, 2015 11:04 AM > > Hi Doug, Hi team, > > In today's IRC meeting, we talked about the process to get IBM translations. > I'm going to normalize the process to contribute translations by > uploading po files. > > Here are some key points during the meeting: > > 1. It is strongly discouraged to use the offline editor other than web tool. > Because the offline editor could not take the advantages of > translation memory and glossary, > which might affect the translation quality. > 2. Simply uploading po files are not allowed because it has a risk > that the po files might contain bad translations. > 3. In some special cases, if people who want to contribute > translations by uploading po files, following below steps > 3.1 Send email to I18n mailing list, describing the source > documents and languages he/she is going to upload. > 3.2 Zanata admin will create a branch. Then contributors could > upload po files to the proposed branch. > 3.3 When the uploading is done, language coordinators could > review the translations. > The coordinators could have two kinds of review results: > agree to merge or deny to merge. > If the coordinators deny to merge, coordinators should > give some comments, either to delete this branch, or to suggestions > to improve. > 3.4 If the coordinators agree to merge to the master branch, > Zanata admin will make the merge. > A option could set during the branches merging to make sure not > overwrite translated/approved translations in the source branch. > After merging, the proposed branch will be deleted. > > I have been testing branches in the Zanata test server for several days. > When I make sure it works fine, I will go to the production server. > > @Doug, please let us know which resources and which languages you > are going to propose ? > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > "Douglas Fish" <drfish(a)us.ibm.com> wrote on 09/16/2015 08:05:52 PM: > > > From: "Douglas Fish" <drfish(a)us.ibm.com> > > To: "Openstack-i18n Openstack-i18n" <openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> > > Date: 09/16/2015 08:06 PM > > Subject: [Openstack-i18n] IBM translations to contribute: update > > > > Here's the revised approach we are taking to contributing our IBM > > translations to the community, based on feedback on suggestions: > > > > We are planning to make the proposed translations available for a > > pre-review as a separate branch in Zanata, but they are not there > > yet. While testing out this upload on the development server we > > discovered that uploading PO files caused the server to become > > unresponsive for a while. Thanks to pleia2 and the infra team for > > sorting that out and addressing the issue. We'll try the upload on > > dev again tomorrow and if it goes well we will make the translations > > available for pre-review in a separate Zanata branch. > > > > I had originally proposed ending the pre-review on Monday. Obviously > > that's not going to happen! I understand that different language > > teams have differing levels of readiness to accept these > > contributions. I understand some groups are ready at this time, > > while others would like to have more time, possibly even into Mitaka > > to review. We aren't going to upload PO files for any language were > > the team does not want them. > > > > Language coordinators, please let me know how you'd like to proceed > > with these contributions for your language. Do you want > > 1) us to upload them to Zanata's current master translations for > > normal review and editing as soon as we can, > > 2) us to upload them to Zanata as a separate branch for further > pre-review, or > > 3) hold off any submission or preview at this time. > > > > Please note that it important to us that we upload these > > translations. The translations are a valued IBM asset, it's > > important to us that they are recognized as contributed by IBM. > > > > I'll be at the Thursday i18n team meeting, and am available by IRC > > (doug-fish) or email if you have questions or further concerns. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Doug_______________________________________________ > > Openstack-i18n mailing list > > Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n

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Arabic Script mixed with Gurmukhi Script in Translation Memory
by ਅਨਪੜ੍ਹ ਜਿਮੀਂਦਾਰ 23 Sep '15

23 Sep '15

Hi there, As I don't know how this mix up happened so someone please respond to this issue. After the migration has done and i am doing translation in Zanata I am quite surprised to see Arabic script in my Translation Memory of many projects. I have clarified before, and explaining again, that Punjabi has two entirely different scripts i.e. Gurmukhi (ਪੈਂਤੀ) and Shahmukhi (اردو), while former is widely used in Indian side of Punjab aka Eastern Punjab the latter is used in Pakistani side of Punjab aka Western Punjab. I guess while migration someone has mistaken both the scripts as one and joined them. As this is my assumption so it is you guys, will have to help me out. Thanks Amandeep Singh Saini Co-ordinator Punjabi Team (pa-IN)

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Russian translations with 4 pluralities?
by Douglas Fish 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Would like Zanata branch to correct 1494819
by Douglas Fish 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

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Automatic copying of translations in Zanata?
by Andreas Jaeger 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

Today the majority of the IBM translations got merged into the the normal versions since zanata by default searches at every upload with the zanata client for translation of untranslated strings and merges them [1]. So, when ceilometer got uploaded as master version, the IBM ceilometer strings where searched for already translated strings and untranslated ceilometer strings where automatically translated with the IBM version. Daisy, Clark, Lyz, and myself just had some discussion on #openstack-i18n and decided to disable for now the automatic copying of translations while we discuss what to do next. The question for me is, do we want this kind of automatic copying of translations - and if, how do we want it. Previously enabled was copying only in a project between versions. So, for example if there is a stable/liberty and a master version (or an IBM and a master version) of the same document, and one contains a translated string and the other gets updated, the translated string gets copied over if the string is not translated yet. This feature can also be enabled for copying between projects and files. So, we could enable it and then when a string gets translated in let's say nova and exactly the same string is in neutron and untranslated, the translation would be copied from nova to neutron. So, question to discuss: 1) Do we translators want such automatic translations? 2) And if yes, only between: a) versions of same document b) inside a project (so, only inside nova) c) across all projects and documents Note that this setting is the same for all languages. Note that there's an option as well to do this automatic translation manually, for example at project creation time. So, if a new project gets setup, Zanata could try to copy automaticly translations across projects for a quick start. What do you think? Do you want to translate each string manually - or let Zanata do the work and to which extend? I hope I summarized everything correctly, if not please correct my understanding, Andreas References: [1] http://zanata.org/help/copytrans-explained/ -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Please review IBM translations in the master branch
by Ying Chun Guo 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

Hi, friends Something unexpected happened tonight. IBM translations were copied into master branches. The copy action is triggered by uploading of pot files, which are executed by automatic Jenkins jobs when the source pot files in code repo are updated. Nobody expects it. Infrastructure team have figure out a way to stop auto copy while uploading pot files so this kind of things won't happen the second time. IBM translations only fill in blanks without overwriting the others. I hope translation teams could take a look at IBM translations in the master branches. IBM contributions could be located by searching "last-modified-after: 2015-09-21". You could * improve translations if they are easily to improve. Different terminologies could easily be fixed by "project-wide Search & Replace". ( in the Editor view, click the magnifying glass icon on the right top corner to open the search&replace view.) * reject some translations if you don't like. * If you don't like the whole translations at all, I may work out a way to revert it but it will cost time. The relevant translation teams include: de es fr it ja ko_KR pt_BR ru zh_CN zh_TW. The relevant documents are: nova.pot, glance.pot, swift.pot, ceilometer.pot, cinder.pot, heat.pot, ironic.pot, keystone.pot and neutron.pot. Sorry for the troubles and thank you for your work. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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IP capitalization change in nova - ok to merge?
by Andreas Jaeger 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

Translation team, I've just send a patch for review that fixes lots of user visible capitalization strings in nova as I noticed during translation that it should be "IP" and not "ip" for example in "fixed IP". Is it ok to get this patch in now - or should I wait after liberty and mark it as WIP for now? https://review.openstack.org/225923 Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Would like Zanata branch to correct 1494819
by Ying Chun Guo 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

Hi, Doug We need to consider it carefully. After working with Zanata dev team, I got to understand: 1. Zanata has its own plural forms. If po file has its own plural form, Zanata will use that. Otherwise, Zanata will use its own plural form. Pluralforms in Zanata: nplurals=3; plural=(n%10==1 && n%100!=11 ? 0 : n%10>=2 && n%10<=4 && (n%100<10 || n%100>=20) ? 1 : 2). So it looks like that OpenStack po files overrode the pluralforms in Zanata. 2. Zanata currently don't allow update of plural forms once the document has been uploaded to Zanata. Even with deletion of that source document and re-upload (in the same project-version, same doc name and same path), Zanata will still reuse the old pluralform. 3. If we want to update the pluralforms, we will need to do it in new project-version (don't use copy-from previous version function). I think we need to carefully design the steps to change pluralforms of Russian. At first, I want to confirm with you, are you sure this issue is caused by plural forms? Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) Douglas Fish/Rochester/IBM wrote on 2015/09/18 23:38:22: > From: Douglas Fish/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS > To: guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com > Cc: openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > Date: 2015/09/18 23:38 > Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Would like Zanata branch to correct 1494819 > > Hi Daisy, > > Yes, I understand - I don't think I can even propose my branch > unless I am added as a translator by the Russian team. > > My proposal would include removing one plural form for > 4 messages in horizon django.po > 1 message in horizon djangojs.po > 144 messages in openstack_dashboard django.po > 0 messages in openstack_dashboard djangojs.po > plus the pluralization specification would be updated in all 4 files. > > Doug > > ----- Original message ----- > From: Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com> > To: Douglas Fish/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS > Cc: openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Would like Zanata branch to correct 1494819 > Date: Fri, Sep 18, 2015 3:25 AM > > Are there a lot of changes in your proposed po files ? > I'm still waiting for Russian team's response. > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > "Douglas Fish" <drfish(a)us.ibm.com> wrote on 09/18/2015 05:37:07 AM: > > > From: "Douglas Fish" <drfish(a)us.ibm.com> > > To: openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > > Date: 09/18/2015 05:38 AM > > Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Would like Zanata branch to correct 1494819 > > > > Hi translation friends, > > > > I'd like to contribute 4 PO files for the Horizon Russian > > translation to correct the issue > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bug/1494819 > > > > These uploads won't contain any new translations, but instead will > > be an adjustment to the PO files so they have 3 pluralities, which > is standard > > http://localization-guide.readthedocs.org/en/latest/l10n/pluralforms.html > > > > Specifically, I plan to remove the msgstr[2] translation from the > > files (because msgstr[2] is blank for many cases), rename the msgstr > > [3] translation to msgstr[2] and adjust the plurality specification to > > nplurals=3; plural=(n%10==1 && n%100!=11 ? 0 : n%10>=2 && n%10<=4 && > > (n%100<10 || n%100>=20) ? 1 : 2); > > > > As discussed in the team meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/ > > meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting. > > 2015-09-17-13.00.log.html > > please create a Zanata branch so I can propose these corrections for review. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Doug > > _______________________________________________ > > Openstack-i18n mailing list > > Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n

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Translation of Nova
by Ying Chun Guo 21 Sep '15

21 Sep '15

Hi, John I put nova project as the first non-user interface project in Liberty translation. I set nova.pot as "required to be translated" and set nova-log-* as "optional to be translated". I understand nova.pot contains all user facing messages. But I don't clear what kinds of messages they are. Could you explain what kinds of messages nova.pot includes and how these messages are visible to end users ? There is another mail thread[1] discussing that python-openstackclient should be high priority to translate. And other clients such as python-novaclient are deprecating and should not be translated or lower priority to be translated. I know you are busy with the RC1 cut. When you are available, help to share some inputs. Thank you. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) [1] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2015-September/001389.h…

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata, message to the team
by Akihiro Motoki 21 Sep '15

21 Sep '15

I see no technical reason. I am okay if we have a consensus that we can use various languages on the list to discuss topics specific to languages. Does everybody want this? I don't think it works if message in Frensh, Spanish, Chinese, Russian, Japanese, Korean, Turkish, Arabian and more on a single list. I might be missing something important. OpenStack foundation provides use the mailing list server under openstack.org domain and local communities can use it. Akihiro 2015-09-17 23:40 GMT+09:00 Douglas Fish <drfish(a)us.ibm.com>: > Can't other languages be used on the mailing list? Is this a technical > limitation? > > Doug > > > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 09/17/2015 09:08:26 AM: > > > From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> > > To: Openstack-i18n Openstack-i18n <openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> > > Date: 09/17/2015 09:09 AM > > Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata, message to the team > > > > One thing to note is that each language team would like to discuss > > in its language in most cases. > > > We don't want to use English in translation discussion :p > > Thus I think this mailing does not work to address the original question. > > > > In Japanese case, we use a mailing list in the local community, > > but not all language team has such media and they might had Transifex > > messaging to communicate each other. > > > > 2015-09-17 22:50 GMT+09:00 Andreas Jaeger <aj(a)suse.com>: > > On 2015-09-17 15:19, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > On 2015-09-17 07:58:39 -0500 (-0500), Douglas Fish wrote: > > Can't the openstack-i18n mailing list be used for this? In the > > openstack-dev lists multiple teams use it and we just include [horizon] > or > > [keystone] or similar as appropriate to help sort out messages to > > interested parties. > > > > The nice thing about this is that it makes the discussion open to others > > who might take interest periodically. > > > > Not only that, the discussion is also archived and accessible > > anonymously over the Web. Any group contact mechanism built into > > Zanata as an afterthought is going to be inferior to proper mailing > > lists as a general discussion platform. > > > > > Challenge is that not every translator is subscribed here AFAIU. How > > can we encourage usage of this mailing list? > > > > Andreas > > -- > > Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi > > SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany > > GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, > > HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) > > GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openstack-i18n mailing list > > Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n > > _______________________________________________ > > Openstack-i18n mailing list > > Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n > >

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Liberty translation progress report
by Ying Chun Guo 21 Sep '15

21 Sep '15

Hi, team 10 days passed since we started Liberty translation. Now let's review the progress we made. 1. Horizon translations Till today, following teams have made amazing progress. Many thanks for their works. These teams could certainly finish Horizon translation on time. They are: Japanese 100.0% English (Australia) 99.63% French 98.61% German 98.51% Chinese (China) 97.56% Spanish 97.28% Turkish (Turkey) 96.76% Czech 96.55% Korean (South Korea) 96.0% Chinese (Taiwan) 95.12% Portuguese (Brazil) 93.13% Following teams have possibilities to catch the deadline too. They are: English (United Kingdom) 87.85% Russian 83.58% Polish (Poland)80.48% If coordinators of those language teams have difficulties to catch the goal, please let me know as soon as possible. 2. Horizon authorization page translations This is not a big resource. There are 12 languages 100% completed. They are: Chinese (China),Czech,English (Australia), English (United Kingdom),German, Japanese,Korean (South Korea), Portuguese (Brazil),Russian,Spanish,Spanish (Mexico), Turkish (Turkey). There are only a very few strings left in Chinese (Taiwan), Polish (Poland), and French translations. Please don't forget to finish them. 3. Nova translations nova.pot is included in Liberty translation plan. Following language teams have made good progress: Chinese (China) 100.0% Czech 99.63% Spanish 94.78% Turkish (Turkey) 94.1% Some others languages team might not have good progress. I understand some translators are not active in Nova translations. For those language teams, I will suggest to import IBM translations. While I did test, after merging IBM translations, the percentage will increase to 90% and even more. I hope coordinators could take a serious consideration of this suggestion. I appreciate very much your contributions in Liberty translations. I'm very sure we will get a good result in Liberty. Thank you. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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PTL Elections September 2015
by Ying Chun Guo 21 Sep '15

21 Sep '15

Hi, team We just became a official team in Liberty, I guess some of you are not familiar with PTL elections process. Every official project must elect a PTL. PTLs are elected for 6 months. All ATC's have the right to vote for your favorite PTL for a cycle. Refer to this wiki page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_September_2015 I have submitted my candidacy for I18n team just now. Hope to get your support for my PTL role for Mitaka. Thank you. Regards Daisy

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Would like Zanata branch to correct 1494819
by Douglas Fish 18 Sep '15

18 Sep '15

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata, message to the team
by Robert Simai 18 Sep '15

18 Sep '15

Hi Doug, I see one advantage in that approach, the list is already there. I see more disadvantages: - we'd need to make sure that all translators are subscribed. I don't think it's the case - for a regular translator many stuff discussed here may not be relevant or interesting - they will all have to setup proper email filtering and it needs discipline for the poster to stick to that. You'd probably need two tags, one for the project and one for the language - we can't use the local language to discuss language specific stuff but need to stick to English And there may be a few more. These however were my thoughts why I (still) think it should rather be a Zanata feature as there we have user/team information and could easily target messages to relevant people. -- Thanks, Robert On Thu Sep 17 2015 14:58:39 GMT+0200 (CEST) drfish(a)us.ibm.com wrote: > Can't the openstack-i18n mailing list be used for this? In the > openstack-dev lists multiple teams use it and we just include [horizon] > or [keystone] or similar as appropriate to help sort out messages to > interested parties. > > The nice thing about this is that it makes the discussion open to others > who might take interest periodically. > > Doug > > > Robert Simai <robert.simai(a)suse.com> wrote on 09/17/2015 03:32:30 AM: > > > From: Robert Simai <robert.simai(a)suse.com> > > To: Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>, > openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > > Date: 09/17/2015 03:33 AM > > Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata, message to the team > > > > Hi Daisy, > > > > On Thu Sep 17 2015 09:04:33 GMT+0200 (CEST) guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com wrote: > > > > > Hi, Rob > > > > > > I didn't find the method to message team either. > > > I just find an instance messaging method to communicate with people who > > > are translating the same document. > > > > Yes, but that clearly has another purpose. > > > > > I think you might use email to talk with your team members. > > > I know it's not good. > > > > Frankly, it's less than not good as it means I (and whoever wants to do > > this) need to setup and maintain my own email distribution list all > > manually. > > > > > We could discuss how to add more communication ways. > > > Either ask Zanata to provide a feature, or we use a communicate method > > > on top of openstack infra. > > > > Well, I don't mind how it's done but would greatly appreciate if there's > > some easy way to send notifications to the specific language team. It > > probably should be a Zanata feature. > > > > > Best regards > > > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > > Thanks, > > Robert > > > > > > > > Robert Simai <robert.simai(a)suse.com> wrote on 2015/09/16 23:38:10: > > > > > > > From: Robert Simai <robert.simai(a)suse.com> > > > > To: openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > > > > Date: 2015/09/16 23:38 > > > > Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata, message to the team > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > probably I simply don't see it but how would I - as coordinator or > > > > regular team member - send a message to the translation team for my > > > > language? The only message I can create is "contact coordinators", > > > > myself so to say. > > > > > > > > Do I overlook this feature or is it just missing? If the latter, I'd > > > > clearly like to have it as I'm not sure if we can expect to have all > > > > translators on the openstack-i18n mailing list. In Transifex we > had the > > > > "discussions" forum to reach out to all team members, that was very > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Thanks, > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Openstack-i18n mailing list > > > > Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > > > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openstack-i18n mailing list > > Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n > > >

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Zanata, message to the team
by Robert Simai 18 Sep '15

18 Sep '15

Hi, probably I simply don't see it but how would I - as coordinator or regular team member - send a message to the translation team for my language? The only message I can create is "contact coordinators", myself so to say. Do I overlook this feature or is it just missing? If the latter, I'd clearly like to have it as I'm not sure if we can expect to have all translators on the openstack-i18n mailing list. In Transifex we had the "discussions" forum to reach out to all team members, that was very helpful. -- Thanks, Robert

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What's Up, Doc? 18 Sep 2015
by Lana Brindley 18 Sep '15

18 Sep '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone, First of all, with PTL candidacy now closed, it appears that I will be continuing to hold the docs reins through to Mitaka. Thank you to all of you who contacted me personally over the last week or so, expressing their support. I'm very honoured to be leading such a great team, and I'm looking forward to continuing to serve you. As always, my door will continue to be open to ideas, comments, and criticism, so please keep telling me what you do and don't like! We're less than a month away from the Liberty release now, and with the Mitaka PTL question settled, I'll be working on Design Summit session planning over the next few weeks. I've created an etherpad to gather your ideas, more on that in this newsletter. In other news, testing is now well underway on the Install Guide, I've knocked our existing blueprints into order, been doing some thinking about the DocImpact script, and worked with the speciality teams on determining the final work items for Liberty. == Progress towards Liberty == 26 days to go 514 bugs closed so far for this release. * RST conversion: ** Done. * User Guides information architecture overhaul ** Underway. Some tasks to be held over to Mitaka. * Greater focus on helping out devs with docs in their repo ** A certain amount of progress has been made here, and some wrinkles sorted out which will improve this process for the future. * Improve how we communicate with and support our corporate contributors ** I'm still trying to come up with great ideas for this, please let me know what you think. * Improve communication with Docs Liaisons ** I'm very pleased to see liaisons getting more involved in our bugs and reviews. Keep up the good work! * Clearing out old bugs ** Great work this week, with two bugs from the last two weeks closed (thanks Deena and Tom!). Three new bugs this week. == Mitaka Summit Prep == The schedule app for your phone is now available. This is a great tool once you're on the ground at Summit: https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=98721 6292&mt=8 (Apple) and https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.sched.openstacksummitm ay2015vancouver (Android) Docs have been allocated two fishbowls, four workrooms, and a half day meetup, so now is the time to start gathering ideas for what you would like to see us cover. Add your ideas to the etherpad here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tokyo-DocsSessions == Outstanding Specs == * Third Party Driver Content: This spec has been outstanding for a while, and we've finally reached a consensus on how to move forward. Please take a moment to review the spec here before we go ahead merge it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191041/ * DocImpact: These are my ideas for reducing the noise from the DocImpact script, now up for discussion and ideas: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224420/ == Doc team meeting == The APAC meeting was held this week. The minutes are here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/MeetingLogs#2015-09-16 The next meetings are: US: Wednesday 23 September, 14:00:00 UTC APAC: Wednesday 30 September, 00:30:00 UTC Please go ahead and add any agenda items to the meeting page here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_ meeting == Spotlight bugs for this week == Let's show these three that we're never going to give them up, never going to let them down: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1293328 Review Identity & LDAP integration https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1294726 Update Cloud Administration Guide for OpenDaylight ML2 MechanismDriver https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1300960 Making DB sanity checking be optional for DB migration - -- Remember, if you have content you would like to add to this newsletter, or you would like to be added to the distribution list, please email me directly at openstack(a)lanabrindley.com, or visit: https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Documentation/WhatsUpDoc Keep on doc'ing! Lana - -- Lana Brindley Technical Writer Rackspace Cloud Builders Australia http://lanabrindley.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJV+5L5AAoJELppzVb4+KUyEUcIANEavuRkTwSC44KEMVCvdzBw Q/luFp6zO/mySSfys0mFnB3/3GmQFQqSqW3FqLc9hWHIQQxxmG8VW9/Bhym5GNmr UMveZw+0winC4y41en1ZFFBz03uiQTvHVAFDmqjFHtgvWd/L3O9isrCsP3hnQ3JK Dl4Huaw6ZowbRgYTK7Jaspuu/mS7Me8hUsvOCpBPvxQX3lYFBvOR93lwBEqNHp5B gu05Cy50KnwbrY+TQfrTEMiYxtyia1nf9SHF+9/5fxkzq9i4/Ine9WKIuYsOYI8u crJl9IPPKbgyMSp775RLQ9nFIXeh6cRDYWVVW29z1n1zYt9C7zcpZiDngkD8Zqg= =5yfK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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IBM translations to contribute: update
by Douglas Fish 17 Sep '15

17 Sep '15

Here's the revised approach we are taking to contributing our IBM translations to the community, based on feedback on suggestions: We are planning to make the proposed translations available for a pre-review as a separate branch in Zanata, but they are not there yet. While testing out this upload on the development server we discovered that uploading PO files caused the server to become unresponsive for a while. Thanks to pleia2 and the infra team for sorting that out and addressing the issue. We'll try the upload on dev again tomorrow and if it goes well we will make the translations available for pre-review in a separate Zanata branch. I had originally proposed ending the pre-review on Monday. Obviously that's not going to happen! I understand that different language teams have differing levels of readiness to accept these contributions. I understand some groups are ready at this time, while others would like to have more time, possibly even into Mitaka to review. We aren't going to upload PO files for any language were the team does not want them. Language coordinators, please let me know how you'd like to proceed with these contributions for your language. Do you want 1) us to upload them to Zanata's current master translations for normal review and editing as soon as we can, 2) us to upload them to Zanata as a separate branch for further pre-review, or 3) hold off any submission or preview at this time. Please note that it important to us that we upload these translations. The translations are a valued IBM asset, it's important to us that they are recognized as contributed by IBM. I'll be at the Thursday i18n team meeting, and am available by IRC (doug-fish) or email if you have questions or further concerns. Thanks! Doug

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IBM translations to contribute
by Douglas Fish 17 Sep '15

17 Sep '15

Hi i18n Friends, I'm happy to share that we are proceeding with our plan to share our IBM translations with the OpenStack community. To review and follow up on what was shared in the 2015-08-20 i18n team meeting [1]: - We would like to contribute our IBM translations for projects ceilometer, glance, heat, nova, ironic, neutron, cinder, keystone, and swift. Note that Horizon is not in this list because the community has been focused on translating Horizon; I'm concerned there may be excessive terminology conflicts. - We have translations for de es fr it ja ko_KR pt_BR ru zh_CN zh_TW - These contributions are based on our Kilo translations. They have been reviewed and tested. - In order to facilitate an informal review by the translation teams before uploading I've made the translations available at https://github.com/doug-fish/openstack-translations . The repository is private. If you'd like access, just share your github id with me via email (drfish(a)us.ibm.com) or IRC (doug-fish) and I'll give you access. - Segments that have been updated with IBM translations have a comment "Contributed by IBM" added. This is to enable reviewing; I don't expect these comments to remain in Zanata after the upload. At a high level, our process is that we are extracting the existing PO files from Zanata, then using Babel based code to compare our IBM translations with the community ones and filling in any blanks. We've taken care not to overwrite any existing translations. These proposed files are based on what we extracted from Zanata recently (today). Our intent is to run this tooling again after the review period to pick up any community translations that have occurred. I'm aware that translations for Nova are not updated in Zanata yet, but again, I expect to handle this by re-running our tools. I'm working with Thomas Cocozzello (tjcocozz) and Lucas Palm (lapalm) who have coded our tools and scripts to handle this. They are requesting to join the language teams in Zanata so that if there are no concerns noted during the review they can upload translation contributions. I plan to ask Tom and Lucas to upload these files on 2015-09-14 unless there are concerns noted during the reviews. Please let me know if you have questions or concerns! Doug 1. http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n/2015/openstack_i18n.… Doug Fish

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Migration to Zanata will start at 00:00UTC September 9th
by Ying Chun Guo 16 Sep '15

16 Sep '15

Hello, team I'm so excited that the migration to Zanata finally comes, officially. It will start at 00:00UTC Sep 9th, (~2 hour from now). Please STOP your translations on Transifex now, till infrastructure team makes the announcement that migration is completely done. Or else, it could cause problems and your work will be lost. Translations from September 8th UTC time will be included in the migration. When the switch is made, pushing to and pulling from Transifex will be stopped. Please NOTICE: Translations made in Transifex after September 8th UTC will NO LONGER be submitted to OpenStack. All the users information and teams information in translate-dev.openstack.org will be included in the migration too. Please STOP the registration and adding team members in translate-dev.openstack.org. When migration is done, you could use the official website: translate.openstack.org. Hope everything runs well. Thank you for your corporation. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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IRC meeting tomorrow
by Ying Chun Guo 16 Sep '15

16 Sep '15

Hello, team We will have the IRC meeting at UTC 1300 in the channel #openstack-meeting, on September 17th. Following topics will be covered: * Collect issues/questions for Zanata and Liberty translation * Discussion: IBM contributions * Open discussions If you have other topics, feel free to propose. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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am I getting it wrong?
by ਅਨਪੜ੍ਹ ਜਿਮੀਂਦਾਰ 16 Sep '15

16 Sep '15

check these strings in nova-log-warning please 1) - %(logprefix)sfile does not exist - Resource ID: 8b11140881a372e28617726d6551bf55 2) - %(logprefix)unexpected IOError when reading - Resource ID: cb2f6d7cc64d66e928c3d4bfc62fc2f0 3) - %(logprefix)sfailed to load json - Resource ID: 82759c0db94169cf8d6b3bf6d5bb28ae Am i getting these wrong or there are actually some blank spaces missing in the source strings? Sorry for spamming the mailing list :) Amandeep Singh

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[all] New Gerrit translations change proposals from Zanata
by Elizabeth K. Joseph 15 Sep '15

15 Sep '15

Hi everyone, Daisy announced to the i18n team last week[0] that we've moved to using Zanata for translations for the Liberty cycle. Everyone should now be using Zanata at https://translate.openstack.org/ for translations. We're just now finishing up the infrastructure side of things with the switch from having Transifex submit the translations proposals to Gerrit to having Zanata do it. The Gerrit topic for these change proposals for all projects with translations has been changed from "transifex/translations" to "zanata/translations". After a test with oslo.versionedobjects last week[1], we're moving forward this Wednesday morning UTC time to have the jobs run so that all translations changes proposed to Gerrit are made by Zanata. Please let us know if you run into any problems or concerns with the changes being proposed to your project. The infra and i18n teams will have a look and provide help as needed. Thanks everyone, these are exciting times for the i18n team! [0] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2015-September/001331.h… [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222712/ note that the topic: had not yet been updated at the time of this change, but it has now -- Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph || Lyz || pleia2

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Usability problem for coordinators: managing join requests?
by Tom Fifield 15 Sep '15

15 Sep '15

Hi, Please excuse me if I'm missing something obvious here - Zanata is quite new to me :) Based on my experience, it seems the process for approving a member request is very "manual" and could be quite frustrating for the large teams. 1. Email comes in: """ Dear Language Team Coordinator, Zanata user "Example Name" with id "example" is requesting to join the en (English) language team Roles requested: Translator Reviewer Coordinator Example Name has included the following message with this request: You can add user with username "Example Name" to the "en" team as translator using the "Add Team Member" action on the language team page. You can click the link below to go directly to the en-GB Language Team Page. Please reply to Example Name at example(a)example.org when you have finished processing this request. https://translate.openstack.org:443/language/view/en You are receiving this mail because: You are a coordinator in the "English" language team """ 2. Click the link to go to the Language Team 3. Can't do anything - need to login, so click login 4. After logging in, you are back at your personal profile page. Can't action the request here, so go back to the email and click the link again 5. Expect to see something about the new request on the language team page, but there's nothing there. Can't action the request, so go back and read the email again. 6. Click the plus button to get the "Add Team Member" dialogue and realise you need to copy and paste the username from the email into the box. 7. Realise you don't remember which roles the user applied for. Go back and check the email a fourth time, then enter the roles and click add. 8. Email says it's now up to you to manually email the user to let them know they were added :) Are any other coordinators having this experience? Transifex wasn't perfect in how it dealt with join requests, but at least you could easily see a list of all of the requests for your language and approve them with a single click. If I'm not missing something, and this really is the procedure we need to run through 50 times for the larger languages to on-board everyone, then doing it on an ongoing basis, it seems less than ideal :) Regards, Tom

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