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Re: [Openstack-i18n] IRC meeting today
by Jeremy Stanley 22 Jan '16

22 Jan '16

On 2016-01-22 14:17:23 +0800 (+0800), Ying Chun Guo wrote: [...] > Zanata has API to query translators activities. [...] Oh, that's excellent news! Maybe the update I heard we were still needing was so that we could let non-administrators query that? > Adding them to "extra ATCs" is a way. > Are there any other options to grant them the election rights ? At the moment you'll need to continue updating the extra-atcs list. The tool which queries our contributors in Gerrit could be extended to also query Zanata, but I haven't even seen the API documentation for that yet so I can't gauge how long it would take me to integrate into what I have. Longer term, of course we want this data source automatically integrated with our contributor listing tools. For the curious, https://review.openstack.org/263971 is the current state of development on the new framework I'm using for determining electoral rolls and qualifiers for contributor summit codes. -- Jeremy Stanley

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IRC meeting today
by Ying Chun Guo 22 Jan '16

22 Jan '16

Hello, team We will have our regular meeting today, at 1300UTC in #openstack-meeting. I'm going to cover following topics: * Discussion: Glossary management process * Discussion: IBM contributions * Status update: Installation guide translation * Status update: Translation check website * Status update: Stackalytics feature Feel free to propose other topics if you like. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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What's Up, Doc? 22 January 2016
by Lana Brindley 22 Jan '16

22 Jan '16

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi everyone, We seem to be more or less back into the swing of things here in docs land this week, with our meeting schedule back up and running, and now our very first full-length newsletter for 2016! We only have two and a half months until Mitaka goes out, but we're in great shape so far, with 345 bugs dealt with, and all the planned RST conversions complete. Most of the discussion this week has been around API documentation and Fairy Slipper, Docs Tools and some site theme changes, and a little back and forth on meeting times. == Progress towards Mitaka == 75 days to go! 345 bugs closed so far for this release. RST Conversions * All RST conversions are now complete! Well done to all the contributors and reviewers who made this happen so quickly this time around. We are now, with only a couple of exceptions, completely converted. Great job :) Reorganisations * Arch Guide ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/archguide-mitaka-r… ** Contact the Ops Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide * User Guides ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/user-guides-reorga… ** Contact the User Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/User_Guides DocImpact * After some discussion on the dev list, we're adjusting our approach to this problem. Watch this space. == Speciality Teams == '''HA Guide - Bogdan Dobrelya''' Meeting moved http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-January/008209.html. Kenneth finished his Galera patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263075/, there were also several patches from different contributors, so things are improving. '''Installation Guide - Christian Berendt''' AODH instructions near completion, EU/US meeting moved (Every two weeks (on even weeks) on Tuesday at 1600 UTC), APAC meeting will be dropped the next weeks if if not more participants join. '''Networking Guide - Edgar Magana''' No update this week. '''Security Guide - Nathaniel Dillon''' No update this week. '''User Guides - Joseph Robinson''' One patch combining Images and Instances content merged, and a patch on Shared File Systems is now available for review. User Guide team meetings are set to begin next Thursday, with guidelines for combining admin and cloud admin files a topic for discussion. '''Ops and Arch Guides - Shilla Saebi''' No update this week. '''API Docs - Anne Gentle''' Anne imported and triaged over 60 GitHub Issues into Launchpad bugs. Anne working on build jobs for making API docs with fairy-slipper: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269809. Anne emailed over 25 individuals about the plans for API docs and answered follow-up questions. Karen worked on validated Swagger: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266527/. Need to release fairy-slipper this week or next. '''Config Ref - Gauvain Pocentek''' No update this week. '''Training labs - Roger Luethi''' Liberty is making good progress, trying to get Liberty patches working. Early beginnings of Fedora support switched to CentOS. Copy-on-write disks for KVM. Bug fixing and refactoring, as usual. Early work on python port. Plan to host training labs on a web page. '''Training Guides - Matjaz Pancur''' German translation of the Upstream training (http://docs.openstack.org/de/upstream-training/) - this makes 3 full translations (en, de, ko_kr), ja is at 80%. A patch that enables direct bug reporting on the slides (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259654/) several other patches. '''Hyperviser Tuning Guide - Joe Topjian''' No update this week. == Core Team Changes == The next core team review will occur on 1 February. In the meantime, it's probably a good time to go over what being a core means, and how the review system works. For more detail, see the Contributor Guide: http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/docs-review.html Docs cores have the ability to +2 docs reviews, and they also have the ability to merge reviews. Reviews are merged by cores only once there's been *two* +2 votes, and at least one +1. There are very few exceptions to this rule, for changes that need to go through very quickly to resolve gate breakages or similar, but this rule holds in just about every situation. Cores are assigned based on merit, usually through the core review process that we do every month. During a core review, the PTL gathers statistics on reviews made, and patches created and merged, and uses that to determine who should be added to (or removed from) the core list. That then goes to a vote of the existing core team before being actioned and announced. Core team members also have the ability to nominate (and vote on) exceptional team members, where the statistics might not reflect the amount of effort they have put in. If you ever have any questions about becoming a docs core, or about getting your docs patch merged, you can contact the team on the usual docs mailing list, or ping any of us on IRC. == Doc team meeting == The US team meeting was held last week, you can read the minutes here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/MeetingLogs#2016-01-20 Next meetings: APAC: Wednesday 27 January, 00:30 UTC US: Wednesday 3 February, 14:00 UTC Please go ahead and add any agenda items to the meeting page here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_mee… Note that there is currently discussion about moving the US meeting four hours later to 20:00 UTC. If you have a strong opinion on this matter, make sure you weigh in on the mailing list thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-January/008206.html - -- Keep on doc'ing! Lana - -- Lana Brindley Technical Writer Rackspace Cloud Builders Australia http://lanabrindley.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWoafKAAoJELppzVb4+KUyFR8H/1so79V/BvFSAehklcbyDmZG JYkHQwrMUiTREN0y4l2ccegtgYWKeXEd01holKTMxxzR1KAcibi2eBMGjizNbIdt L8Add2BIPB8zwlqR0zrBAVKzecUth4EpvWLBTU4UDuHIHoF6cyOL3RZWKmkEg7/o GD7H/Yt264qFFPmQ8t8Flq5mUE892s2aReDVFkXPmmkNzBtIGDmzu13P6Y5zX4YX xzUSWJmBDTJPaz/0IsG8Sc46R3gs15hV7wtcCPwVtQXVZ18mKkYYz02zKQzpW518 Z8ysKgwHYkRhn+cxgsg10bV8/NePyxvgvHnknTLpbBZOV700kCmSTEmP3V3LUQw= =6VAi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[OpenStack-i18n] Install guide finished translated Korean
by SungJin Kang 20 Jan '16

20 Jan '16

Hi, Install guide finished transtated ko_KR and review too. How to add draft site[1]? Thanks Sungjin. ps. not yet common-docs... [1]: http://docs.openstack.org/draft/draft-index.html

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What's Up, Doc? 15 January
by Lana Brindley 15 Jan '16

15 Jan '16

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi everyone, Welcome to 2016! A short newsletter this week as I get my feet back under me after my vacation. I hope you all had a wonderful holiday period, and got some well-earned down time. I'm looking forward to working hard with you all over the next few months to get Mitaka out into the wild :) == Progress towards Mitaka == 82 days to go! 324 bugs closed so far for this release. RST Conversions * All RST conversions are now complete! Well done to all the contributors and reviewers who made this happen so quickly this time around. We are now, with only a couple of exceptions, completely converted. Great job :) Reorganisations * Arch Guide ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/archguide-mitaka-r… ** Contact the Ops Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide * User Guides ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/user-guides-reorga… ** Contact the User Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/User_Guides DocImpact * After some discussion on the dev list, we're adjusting our approach to this problem. Watch this space. == Speciality Teams == No updates this week, as I'm totally disorganised. Next week for sure! == Core Team Changes == I would like to offer a warm welcome to Atsushi Sakai as our newest core team member. Welcome to the team :) We will resume regular reviews in February 2016. == Doc team meeting == There's been some confusion over the meeting schedule, but as far as I can tell, these are the next meeting dates: Next meetings: US: Wednesday 20 January, 14:00 UTC APAC: Wednesday 27 January, 00:30 UTC Please go ahead and add any agenda items to the meeting page here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_mee… - -- Keep on doc'ing! Lana - -- Lana Brindley Technical Writer Rackspace Cloud Builders Australia http://lanabrindley.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWmHLwAAoJELppzVb4+KUydocH/30zQwOcQ7kOPSeWIYvGPJ6u /WO2Tv9QkoOZe4O7WulkTRXTsVTlr9lP3esANYf9Vys8E1720Wl3pPNL6YYJ8XCe 1WWIxZpZNiIRB86dfgJn6/oLdhNjAS6W6SvNHNKtecQ5m/6Kv0uRfpVHxw89BRBV +f5QvPnDsydUlKEamQJAyRWzKc6BnpM/AbgS20BL3/luhZpZI3V1Z2bnxbGJCRlD 10uAwY3+z6Oo3SCQI7HVe3TfZQDa6BBYPUK2KSlY5Kr8VjclEgy4tuootRd/4rva WCS4Z61XPvR6DQdLPS6RVCmCrkRtHd1yYeBZt5fP9GBDrXm2CUZipl13grZMXY8= =XuVl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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FW: [Bug 1534418] [NEW] Wrong Chinese translation in OpenStack Liberty install doc
by Kato, Tomoyuki 15 Jan '16

15 Jan '16

Hi Chinese team, Please take a look at the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1534418 I can't understand what is wrong from the bug report =) > Subject: [Bug 1534418] [NEW] Wrong Chinese translation in OpenStack Liberty install doc > > Public bug reported: > > The original link is http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/install-guide-rdo/environment-ntp-control… > The translation draft link is http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/zh_CN/install-guide-rdo/environment-ntp-c… > > ** Affects: openstack-i18n > Importance: Undecided > Status: New > > ** Attachment added: "01.png" > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1534418/+attachment/4550272/+files/01.png > > -- > > Title: > Wrong Chinese translation in OpenStack Liberty install doc > > Status in openstack i18n: > New > > Bug description: > The original link is http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/install-guide-rdo/environment-ntp-control… > The translation draft link is > http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/zh_CN/install-guide-rdo/environment-ntp-c…

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] How do we manage glossary?
by Akihiro Motoki 15 Jan '16

15 Jan '16

2016-01-05 18:00 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > Thank you for the patch, Akihiro. > I think it's easier to discuss in email. > So I copied your comments in your patch here. > >> Expected workflow: >> * add an entry to the master glossary: >> - Update glossary/master.yaml and review it on gerrit >> - Once approved, glossary-tool sync will update per-language glossary >> files and propose the update to gerrit (jenkins jos) > > In your design, when the changes to master.yaml is approved, how to trigger > the jenkins job ? using a tag ? > I think we could add one more action in this Jenkins job: automatically send > an email to i18n to notify that the glossary is changed. We can use 'post' pipeline to trigger some jobs when each change is merged. >> * update per-language glossary: >> - Each language team upload a proposed glossary to gerrit. A language team >> members review it and once they have a consensus i18n core reviewer merges >> it into the repository. >> - Once approved, a corresponding glossary PO file is generated and >> uploaded to Zanata. (glossary-tool write-po and jenkins job) > > In your design, translators will not use translation editor in Zanata to > translate glossary. > Translators will propose the glossary translation to gerrit. > I don't know if translators have enough training to commit a patch. > They may understand how to use Zanata more than how to use gerrit. > There is no commands to support uploading glossary to Zanata. > So the action to upload po files have to be executed manually. I think uploading glossary can be done by Jenkins job triggered by 'post' job as well. I agree that translators are familiar with Zanata rather than Gerrit to some extent. However, my question is still how to keep discussion contexts (or history/background). It seems Zanata history is associated with Zanata internal resource ID. I am afraid it can be easily lost and we cannot recover it :-( > How do you think if we change to: > - Update glossary/master.yaml and review it on gerrit. > - Once approved, glossary-tool sync will update per-language glossary files > and propose the update to gerrit (jenkins jos). > - The jenkins job will upload pot file in Zanata. > - The jenkins job will send email to i18n to notify the change. > - Translators log in to Zanata to translate. > - Jenkins job download po files to i18n repository. > - Zanata admin automatic update Zanata glossary. Again, how can we maintain discussion contexts? On the other hand, I might be thinking "context" too much. If we go to the above way you mentioned, I think we need to maintain discussion contexts in other places. If the team suggests to do so, I am okay. Japanese team actually maintains it in OpenStack wiki and it works mostly well except that we need to sync glossary manually, but it might be a small thing compared to keep "context". Keeping "context" will save time to explain why we choose THIS in our current glossary. If we do not have it, we need to explain same things to new contributors again and again, and this will increase the barrier to new contributors. >> * syntax when a review is proposed >>- 'glossary-tool' check verifies if YAML data is valid. It can be a part of >> pep8 target. > > Good to have syntax check. > > BTW, how do you think the advantage of YAML file, comparing with po and pot > files? > Because if we use po and pot files directly, we could put "note" as comments > in pot files. > Do you want "note" also be translated ? The only reason is YAML file is human-friendly and easy to edit by text editors. I don't think it is a good idea to edit PO file directly. The format is not human-friendly and we can easily make mistakes in editing PO files. "note" in a PO file will be overridden if the glossary is downloaded from Zanata. This means we need to manage PO files directly in our git repo. I don't think maintaining PO files is more difficult than maintaining YAML files. Finally, I would like to purge ancient glossary on Zanata as soon as possible. The current glossary harms translation and provides no value. Akihiro > > Regards > Daisy > > > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 2016/01/05 07:05:51: > >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> To: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN >> Cc: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" >> <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 2016/01/05 07:07 >> Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] How do we manage glossary? > >> >> Hi Daisy and the team, >> >> 2015-12-17 19:35 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: >> > Hi, Akihiro >> > >> > Please let me know your comments to https://review.openstack.org/258924 >> >> I commented your above review. >> >> I proposed a counter proposal https://review.openstack.org/261767. >> This is just an idea. I am open to the input. >> >> Comments inline below. >> >> > Answers to your question: >> > >> > 1. Context >> > >> > The current solution in my patch could not satisfy this requirement >> > about >> > context. >> > If we want to put context to glossary, we need to develop our own >> > extension >> > of sphinx-build. >> > How do you think the priority to support context ? >> >> IMHO supporting contexts is important to make discussion on glossary >> productive. >> As you can see in Japanese glossary on OpenStack wiki [1], I believe >> that discussion contexts >> are important for further discussions and it also helps new >> contributors understand the background. >> >> In my proposal https://review.openstack.org/261767, >> we maintain all contexts in YAML glossary files. >> >> > 2. Process >> > >> > If people want to change the glossary, e.g. add, update, change the >> > comments, add coments >> > following process is designed. >> > >> > a> the requestor submits a patch to i18n repo >> > b> core team approve the patch >> > c> the auto uploading process is triggered. terminology.pot is uploaded >> > to >> > Zanata for translation >> > d> translators finish translation >> > e> Zanata admin manually patch terminology.pot and its translationpo >> > files, > >> > and upload to Zanata >> >> IMO the glossary needs to be reviewed more carefully compared to >> regular translations. >> In regular translations, all translated strings are imported, but for >> glossary it is better that >> only reviewed strings are imported. Another choice is to use gerrit >> for the glossary review. >> My proposal https://review.openstack.org/261767 implements the latter >> option. >> >> Thought? >> >> Thanks, >> Akihiro >> >> > >> > Best regards >> > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) >> > >> > >> > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 2015/12/02 02:29:44: >> > >> >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> >> To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" >> >> <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> >> Date: 2015/12/02 02:32 >> >> Subject: [Openstack-i18n] How do we manage glossary? >> > >> >> >> >> Hi team, >> >> >> >> Recently we added the glossary to the i18n repo [1]. >> >> I wonder how we can manage the glossary and am sending this mail. >> >> The glossary can be referred to in Zanata, so it would be useful. >> >> >> >> Mainly I have two questions. >> >> >> >> The first point is what is the expected process to manage the glossary. >> >> How can we update the glossary? >> >> When is it uploaded to Zanata for translations? >> >> >> >> The second point is how we can have the context. >> >> I think the second point is also important. >> >> Each entry in our glossary has some background, for example >> >> why we reach the current consensus. >> >> This kind of context is important to discuss for further improvements. >> >> >> >> I updated the glossary for Japanese translation last week >> >> and I added various description about backgrounds of the glossary. >> >> I feel it is important to keep the context. >> >> How can we manage the context? >> >> >> >> I don't have a good idea now. >> >> I would like to raise these questions for broader discussion. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Akihiro >> >> >> >> [1] http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/i18n/tree/i18n >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Openstack-i18n mailing list >> >> Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> >> >> > >> >

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IBM translations to contribute
by Douglas Fish 12 Jan '16

12 Jan '16

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[all][i18n] Proposed change for consistent setup of translation - up for review
by Andreas Jaeger 12 Jan '16

12 Jan '16

Projects that want to have translations, need to setup their repository in very specific ways which lead to quite a few questions from some of you and also quite different solutions. Let's make this easier - and consistent. I've written a spec that aims to provide a consistent set up for the repositories and ask for your review and comments on it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262545/ Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] How do we manage glossary - requirements priorities
by Akihiro Motoki 11 Jan '16

11 Jan '16

Thanks for initiating the effort. 2016-01-11 18:36 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > Hello, team > > There are three possible solutions to manage glossaries and their > translations. > All of these solutions have their advantages and disadvantages. > I think we should prioritize the requirements firstly, then we make the > choice based on the requirements. > Here I list some requirements. > I would like to suggest to distinguish "master glossary" (in the source language) and "per-language glossary" in this discussion. Theoretically speaking, each language team can have its own glossary, but IIUC Zanata glossary does not allows it and we need to have a common glossary entries. As the assumption of this discussion, should we assume the current enabled feature in Zanata or can we assume to enhancing Zanata? I would suggest to distinguish 'requirements' and the current limitation of Zanata. 'requirement' should not have assumption based on 'the current limitation of Zanata'. Now, I am looking through the listed items. #0 each language team can manage their glossary without 'admin' role. At least, language coordinator and reviewers should be allowed to do it. To me, this is the top priority "must to have". > #1. Save glossaries in i18n repo "nice to have" "master" or "per-language"? Based on #2 below, it seems "master glossary". > #2. Translate and review with Zanata editor, and enable the auto sync > between Zanata editor and i18n repo. In #2, it seems two things are mixed. The first part "Translate and review with Zanata editor", yes it is a requirement. The second part is just a process. It is not a requirement, i.e., "nice to have". > #3. View comments while translating "Must to have" (as the second priority) I believe it is "Must to have" but it is not a top priority because the top priority to me is that each language is allowed to maintain their glossary without 'admin' privilege. > #4. Review the new added glossary by Gerrit "not necessary" I am not sure this needs to be done in Gerrit. If we have a way to add a new entry in Zanata, it is sufficient as well. I am not sure what assumption you have. > #5. View the list of glossaries and their comments in i18n documents. "not necessary" I don't think it is a requirement. I hope the list of glossary on Zanata instead as Transfix does. When we go to "Glossary" link at the top of Zanata UI https://translate.openstack.org/glossary/view.seam, we see a list of languages but when we click a language name, we will get a list of members of each language team. It is a confusing behavior and we expect a glossary in each language. > #6. Keep the history of glossary translations and discussions. "must to have" (as the second priority) Yes. this is important! > > Please let me know your thoughts to these requirements. > You can add comment "Must support", "good to have", and "not necessary" to > each requirement, > and order these requirements by the priority in your mind. > If you have other requirements, feel free to add. /FYI/ I abandoned my reviews to keep my review list small. Feel free to restore them if necessary even after this discussion have a consensus. Thanks, Akihiro > > For your reference, here are the three possible solutions: > > - Solution 1 Save glossaries in pot file and translations in po files. > The current solution in repo: openstack/i18n > Support requirement #1 , #2 and #4 > ( @Alex, please help to verify if #3 and #6 could be satisfied in this > solution.) > > - Solution 2 Save glossaries in rst file and translations in po files. > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258924/ > Support requirement #1, #2, and #4, #5 > > - Solution 3 Save glossaries in YAML file and translations in YAML files. > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261767/ > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262710/ > Support requirement #1, #3 and #4, #6 > > Your input will help us to make a team decision. > Thank you. > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 2016/01/05 19:09:09: > >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> To: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN >> Cc: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" >> <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 2016/01/05 19:10 >> Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] How do we manage glossary? >> >> 2016-01-05 18:00 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: >> > Thank you for the patch, Akihiro. >> > I think it's easier to discuss in email. >> > So I copied your comments in your patch here. >> > >> >> Expected workflow: >> >> * add an entry to the master glossary: >> >> - Update glossary/master.yaml and review it on gerrit >> >> - Once approved, glossary-tool sync will update per-language glossary >> >> files and propose the update to gerrit (jenkins jos) >> > >> > In your design, when the changes to master.yaml is approved, how to >> > trigger >> > the jenkins job ? using a tag ? >> > I think we could add one more action in this Jenkins job: automatically >> > send >> > an email to i18n to notify that the glossary is changed. >> >> We can use 'post' pipeline to trigger some jobs when each change is >> merged. >> >> >> * update per-language glossary: >> >> - Each language team upload a proposed glossary to gerrit. A language >> >> team >> >> members review it and once they have a consensus i18n core reviewer >> >> merges >> >> it into the repository. >> >> - Once approved, a corresponding glossary PO file is generated and >> >> uploaded to Zanata. (glossary-tool write-po and jenkins job) >> > >> > In your design, translators will not use translation editor in Zanata to >> > translate glossary. >> > Translators will propose the glossary translation to gerrit. >> > I don't know if translators have enough training to commit a patch. >> > They may understand how to use Zanata more than how to use gerrit. >> > There is no commands to support uploading glossary to Zanata. >> > So the action to upload po files have to be executed manually. >> >> I think uploading glossary can be done by Jenkins job triggered by >> 'post' job as well. >> I agree that translators are familiar with Zanata rather than Gerrit >> to some extent. >> >> However, my question is still how to keep discussion contexts (or >> history/background). >> It seems Zanata history is associated with Zanata internal resource ID. >> I am afraid it can be easily lost and we cannot recover it :-( >> >> > How do you think if we change to: >> > - Update glossary/master.yaml and review it on gerrit. >> > - Once approved, glossary-tool sync will update per-language glossary >> > files >> > and propose the update to gerrit (jenkins jos). >> > - The jenkins job will upload pot file in Zanata. >> > - The jenkins job will send email to i18n to notify the change. >> > - Translators log in to Zanata to translate. >> > - Jenkins job download po files to i18n repository. >> > - Zanata admin automatic update Zanata glossary. >> >> Again, how can we maintain discussion contexts? >> >> On the other hand, I might be thinking "context" too much. >> If we go to the above way you mentioned, >> I think we need to maintain discussion contexts in other places. >> If the team suggests to do so, I am okay. >> >> Japanese team actually maintains it in OpenStack wiki and it works mostly >> well >> except that we need to sync glossary manually, but it might be a small >> thing >> compared to keep "context". Keeping "context" will save time to explain >> why >> we choose THIS in our current glossary. If we do not have it, we need to >> explain same things to new contributors again and again, and this >> will increase >> the barrier to new contributors. >> >> >> * syntax when a review is proposed >> >>- 'glossary-tool' check verifies if YAML data is valid. It can be a part >> >> of >> >> pep8 target. >> > >> > Good to have syntax check. >> > >> > BTW, how do you think the advantage of YAML file, comparing with po and >> > pot >> > files? >> > Because if we use po and pot files directly, we could put "note" as >> > comments >> > in pot files. >> > Do you want "note" also be translated ? >> >> The only reason is YAML file is human-friendly and easy to edit by >> text editors. >> I don't think it is a good idea to edit PO file directly. >> The format is not human-friendly and we can easily make mistakes in >> editing PO files. >> >> "note" in a PO file will be overridden if the glossary is downloaded >> from Zanata. >> This means we need to manage PO files directly in our git repo. >> I don't think maintaining PO files is more difficult than maintaining >> YAML files. >> >> >> Finally, I would like to purge ancient glossary on Zanata as soon >> aspossible. >> The current glossary harms translation and provides no value. >> >> Akihiro >> >> >> > >> > Regards >> > Daisy >> > >> > >> > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 2016/01/05 07:05:51: >> > >> >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> >> To: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN >> >> Cc: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" >> >> <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> >> Date: 2016/01/05 07:07 >> >> Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] How do we manage glossary? >> > >> >> >> >> Hi Daisy and the team, >> >> >> >> 2015-12-17 19:35 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: >> >> > Hi, Akihiro >> >> > >> >> > Please let me know your comments to >> >> > https://review.openstack.org/258924 >> >> >> >> I commented your above review. >> >> >> >> I proposed a counter proposal https://review.openstack.org/261767. >> >> This is just an idea. I am open to the input. >> >> >> >> Comments inline below. >> >> >> >> > Answers to your question: >> >> > >> >> > 1. Context >> >> > >> >> > The current solution in my patch could not satisfy this requirement >> >> > about >> >> > context. >> >> > If we want to put context to glossary, we need to develop our own >> >> > extension >> >> > of sphinx-build. >> >> > How do you think the priority to support context ? >> >> >> >> IMHO supporting contexts is important to make discussion on glossary >> >> productive. >> >> As you can see in Japanese glossary on OpenStack wiki [1], I believe >> >> that discussion contexts >> >> are important for further discussions and it also helps new >> >> contributors understand the background. >> >> >> >> In my proposal https://review.openstack.org/261767, >> >> we maintain all contexts in YAML glossary files. >> >> >> >> > 2. Process >> >> > >> >> > If people want to change the glossary, e.g. add, update, change the >> >> > comments, add coments >> >> > following process is designed. >> >> > >> >> > a> the requestor submits a patch to i18n repo >> >> > b> core team approve the patch >> >> > c> the auto uploading process is triggered. terminology.pot is >> >> > uploaded >> >> > to >> >> > Zanata for translation >> >> > d> translators finish translation >> >> > e> Zanata admin manually patch terminology.pot and its translationpo >> >> > files, >> > >> >> > and upload to Zanata >> >> >> >> IMO the glossary needs to be reviewed more carefully compared to >> >> regular translations. >> >> In regular translations, all translated strings are imported, but for >> >> glossary it is better that >> >> only reviewed strings are imported. Another choice is to use gerrit >> >> for the glossary review. >> >> My proposal https://review.openstack.org/261767 implements the latter >> >> option. >> >> >> >> Thought? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Akihiro >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Best regards >> >> > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 2015/12/02 02:29:44: >> >> > >> >> >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> >> >> To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" >> >> >> <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> >> >> Date: 2015/12/02 02:32 >> >> >> Subject: [Openstack-i18n] How do we manage glossary? >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi team, >> >> >> >> >> >> Recently we added the glossary to the i18n repo [1]. >> >> >> I wonder how we can manage the glossary and am sending this mail. >> >> >> The glossary can be referred to in Zanata, so it would be useful. >> >> >> >> >> >> Mainly I have two questions. >> >> >> >> >> >> The first point is what is the expected process to manage the >> >> >> glossary. >> >> >> How can we update the glossary? >> >> >> When is it uploaded to Zanata for translations? >> >> >> >> >> >> The second point is how we can have the context. >> >> >> I think the second point is also important. >> >> >> Each entry in our glossary has some background, for example >> >> >> why we reach the current consensus. >> >> >> This kind of context is important to discuss for further >> >> >> improvements. >> >> >> >> >> >> I updated the glossary for Japanese translation last week >> >> >> and I added various description about backgrounds of the glossary. >> >> >> I feel it is important to keep the context. >> >> >> How can we manage the context? >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't have a good idea now. >> >> >> I would like to raise these questions for broader discussion. >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Akihiro >> >> >> >> >> >> [1] http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/i18n/tree/i18n >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Openstack-i18n mailing list >> >> >> Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> >> >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >

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Austin OpenStack Summit call-for-papers is open
by Ying Chun Guo 11 Jan '16

11 Jan '16

Hello, team The next OpenStack Summit will take place on April 25-29 in Austin, Texas, US. The Call for Papers is opened and will close on Feb 1st. You could find details on the tracks and process on the official page: https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/call-for-speakers/. I think following tracks are much related with our work. You are welcomed to submit speech proposals to these tracks. * Project Updates * How to Contribute * Upstream Development * Working Groups The track "Working Groups" is special. It is for collaborative working sessions rather than presentations. It will be in smaller rooms and video record will not be served. We can organize I18n/translations related working sessions in this track. If you have any speeches or discussion topics related with I18n/translations, you can contact with me. I'm happy to help review and schedule. BTW, the travel support program is opened at: https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/austin-and-travel/#travel-supp… . The deadline is Feb 9. Thank you. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Czech translation error
by Akihiro Motoki 08 Jan '16

08 Jan '16

I am not sure it is a bug of the source string. It works as the source language. The similar example is shown in the gettext documentation I quoted in the first mail. Apart from the warning you mentioned, after we change msgstr[0] to contain %s in a translation, the error disappears. IMHO, it is a bug of GNU gettext. On the other hand, I agree it is less confusing if the source string contains %s. Feel free to file a bug to horizon with a background. Akihiro 2016-01-07 18:19 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > Hi, Akihiro > > It is a bug in the source code, isn't it ? > I don't see the translations are wrong. > > msgid is "Instance launched." > We cannot simply add %s to msgstr[0]. > Zanata will report a warning: Unexpected variable: %s > > I think the source string "Instance launched." should add %s firstly. > "Instance launched." should be changed to "Instance %s launched." > And then, the translation msgstr[0] should add %s correspondingly. > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 2016/01/07 01:44:42: > >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" >> <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 2016/01/07 01:46 >> Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Czech translation error > >> >> Hi Czech language team and i18n Zanata admin, >> >> Horizon translation import is broken due to Czech translation. >> This blocks all translation imports of horizon. >> Could you fix it? >> >> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259677 >> >> The error is like this: >> http://logs.openstack.org/77/259677/15/check/gate-horizon-dsvm- >> integration/e5ed03e/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2016-01-02_17_55_04_608 >> 2016-01-02 17:55:04.608 | CommandError: Execution of msgfmt failed: >> /opt/stack/new/horizon/openstack_dashboard/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/ >> djangojs.po:655: >> number of format specifications in 'msgid_plural' and 'msgstr[0]' does >> not match >> 2016-01-02 17:55:04.608 | msgfmt: found 1 fatal error >> >> The error point is: >> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259677/15/openstack_dashboard/ >> locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/djangojs.po >> >> I think we need to add %s to msgstr[0] to avoid msgfmt error. >> >> #, python-format >> msgid "Instance launched." >> msgid_plural "%s instances launched." >> msgstr[0] "Instance spuštěna. >> msgstr[1] "Spuštěny %s instance." >> msgstr[2] "Spuštěno %s instancí." >> >> >> BTW, I am not sure this is valid according to GNU gettext documentation >> [1], >> but msgfmt actually does not support this form. >> In the example of [1], msgid does not contain %s but all msgstr[n] contain >> %s. >> Although there is no explicit description, %s must be contained in all >> msgstr[n]. >> To avoid confusion, it is better to contain %s in 'msgid' (singular >> form) as well. >> >> [1] https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/ >> Translating-plural-forms.html >> >> >> Akihiro >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openstack-i18n mailing list >> Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >

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Czech translation error
by Akihiro Motoki 08 Jan '16

08 Jan '16

Hi Czech language team and i18n Zanata admin, Horizon translation import is broken due to Czech translation. This blocks all translation imports of horizon. Could you fix it? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259677 The error is like this: http://logs.openstack.org/77/259677/15/check/gate-horizon-dsvm-integration/… 2016-01-02 17:55:04.608 | CommandError: Execution of msgfmt failed: /opt/stack/new/horizon/openstack_dashboard/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/djangojs.po:655: number of format specifications in 'msgid_plural' and 'msgstr[0]' does not match 2016-01-02 17:55:04.608 | msgfmt: found 1 fatal error The error point is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259677/15/openstack_dashboard/locale/cs/LC… I think we need to add %s to msgstr[0] to avoid msgfmt error. #, python-format msgid "Instance launched." msgid_plural "%s instances launched." msgstr[0] "Instance spuštěna. msgstr[1] "Spuštěny %s instance." msgstr[2] "Spuštěno %s instancí." BTW, I am not sure this is valid according to GNU gettext documentation [1], but msgfmt actually does not support this form. In the example of [1], msgid does not contain %s but all msgstr[n] contain %s. Although there is no explicit description, %s must be contained in all msgstr[n]. To avoid confusion, it is better to contain %s in 'msgid' (singular form) as well. [1] https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/Translating-plural-fo… Akihiro

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IRC meeting today
by Ying Chun Guo 07 Jan '16

07 Jan '16

Hello, team I hope you had a good new year holiday. We will have our first IRC meeting in 2016 today, at 0600UTC in #openstack-meeting. I'm going to cover following topics: * Glossary management process discussion * Open discussions Feel free to propose other topics if you like. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] How do we manage glossary?
by Kato, Tomoyuki 06 Jan '16

06 Jan '16

> >> Expected workflow: > >> * add an entry to the master glossary: > >> - Update glossary/master.yaml and review it on gerrit > >> - Once approved, glossary-tool sync will update per-language glossary > >> files and propose the update to gerrit (jenkins jos) > > > > In your design, when the changes to master.yaml is approved, how to trigger > > the jenkins job ? using a tag ? > > I think we could add one more action in this Jenkins job: automatically send > > an email to i18n to notify that the glossary is changed. > > We can use 'post' pipeline to trigger some jobs when each change is merged. I'm not fully contexted, but generally agree to 'post' pipeline idea. KATO Tomoyuki

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Fw: [OpenStack-docs] Travel support for Summit, April 25-29, Austin, TX
by Ying Chun Guo 05 Jan '16

05 Jan '16

Hi, team If you need the travel support for Austin Summit, you could apply now. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) ----- Forwarded by Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM on 2016/01/05 17:01 ----- Anne Gentle <annegentle(a)justwriteclick.com> wrote on 2016/01/05 01:43:00: > From: Anne Gentle <annegentle(a)justwriteclick.com> > To: "openstack-docs(a)lists.openstack.org" <openstack-docs(a)lists.openstack.org> > Date: 2016/01/05 01:45 > Subject: [OpenStack-docs] Travel support for Summit, April 25-29, Austin, TX > > Hi all, > Want to be sure that documentarians know about the travel support > program to get contributors to the Summit. Read all about it and apply here: > > https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/austin-and-travel/#travel-supp… > > Thanks, > Anne > > -- > Anne Gentle > Rackspace > Principal Engineer > www.justwriteclick.com_______________________________________________ > OpenStack-docs mailing list > OpenStack-docs(a)lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-docs

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] How do we manage glossary?
by Akihiro Motoki 05 Jan '16

05 Jan '16

Hi Daisy and the team, 2015-12-17 19:35 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > Hi, Akihiro > > Please let me know your comments to https://review.openstack.org/258924 I commented your above review. I proposed a counter proposal https://review.openstack.org/261767. This is just an idea. I am open to the input. Comments inline below. > Answers to your question: > > 1. Context > > The current solution in my patch could not satisfy this requirement about > context. > If we want to put context to glossary, we need to develop our own extension > of sphinx-build. > How do you think the priority to support context ? IMHO supporting contexts is important to make discussion on glossary productive. As you can see in Japanese glossary on OpenStack wiki [1], I believe that discussion contexts are important for further discussions and it also helps new contributors understand the background. In my proposal https://review.openstack.org/261767, we maintain all contexts in YAML glossary files. > 2. Process > > If people want to change the glossary, e.g. add, update, change the > comments, add coments > following process is designed. > > a> the requestor submits a patch to i18n repo > b> core team approve the patch > c> the auto uploading process is triggered. terminology.pot is uploaded to > Zanata for translation > d> translators finish translation > e> Zanata admin manually patch terminology.pot and its translation po files, > and upload to Zanata IMO the glossary needs to be reviewed more carefully compared to regular translations. In regular translations, all translated strings are imported, but for glossary it is better that only reviewed strings are imported. Another choice is to use gerrit for the glossary review. My proposal https://review.openstack.org/261767 implements the latter option. Thought? Thanks, Akihiro > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 2015/12/02 02:29:44: > >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" >> <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 2015/12/02 02:32 >> Subject: [Openstack-i18n] How do we manage glossary? > >> >> Hi team, >> >> Recently we added the glossary to the i18n repo [1]. >> I wonder how we can manage the glossary and am sending this mail. >> The glossary can be referred to in Zanata, so it would be useful. >> >> Mainly I have two questions. >> >> The first point is what is the expected process to manage the glossary. >> How can we update the glossary? >> When is it uploaded to Zanata for translations? >> >> The second point is how we can have the context. >> I think the second point is also important. >> Each entry in our glossary has some background, for example >> why we reach the current consensus. >> This kind of context is important to discuss for further improvements. >> >> I updated the glossary for Japanese translation last week >> and I added various description about backgrounds of the glossary. >> I feel it is important to keep the context. >> How can we manage the context? >> >> I don't have a good idea now. >> I would like to raise these questions for broader discussion. >> >> Thanks, >> Akihiro >> >> [1] http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/i18n/tree/i18n >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openstack-i18n mailing list >> Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> >

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Transifex
by Ian Y. Choi 23 Dec '15

23 Dec '15

Hello Daisy, Thank you so much for your kind explanation. I agree that all of translation data are successfully moved to Zanata, and I have no objection to remove current Transifex not to be confused for OpenStack translation contributor candidates. I just worried that some guys might want to see previous Transifex history: who contributed to OpenStack translations later, since, the author of translation results from Transifex to Zanata is "OpenStack Infra", not actual translators, as far as I know. However, I also think that it is very difficult to keep all the history to public. For my OpenStack translation stuff, I do not need Transifex any more. So if other translators also do not need to see to track previous translators in Transifex, then there is no more additional reason to remove Transifex except querying statistics. And one more idea: although some previous translators are not regarded as ATC, I think it would be much better to mention their Transifex ID (at least) to acknowledge their previous contribution or credit on somewhere, such as OpenStack wiki. Let's discuss on today IRC meeting :) With many thanks, /Ian Ying Chun Guo wrote on 12/17/2015 2:39 PM: > > Ian Y, > > I will not use the official i18n repo to store those materials. > I plan to store it in a personal repo in github, > just to keep the history. > > We have moved all data into Zanata while we migrated to Zanata in > September. > 4 months passed, we didn't get any complains about any missing data. > We could be sure that all data have been moved to the new tool. > So it's not that necessary to back up. > > The only reason to support to not delete OpenStack from Transifex is that: > it's easy to query the contribution data in any certain period through > the web UI of Transifex. > If we remove OpenStack from Transifex, we will lost the ability to query. > I could export the contribution data for a certain period, for > example, the last 3 years, from Transifex, > and store the export data somewhere. > But I will lost the ability to query any periods, for example, the > data from 2015.4-2015.10 will not be able to get. > > So we could discuss whether we need this ability in the meeting today. > If we don't need, Transifex is no use for us. We could delete it safely. > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > "Ian Y. Choi" <ianyrchoi(a)gmail.com> wrote on 2015/12/17 12:21:34: > > > From: "Ian Y. Choi" <ianyrchoi(a)gmail.com> > > To: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN, Andreas Jaeger <aj(a)suse.com> > > Cc: Robert Simai <robert.simai(a)suse.com>, > openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > > Date: 2015/12/17 12:22 > > Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Transifex > > > > Hello Andreas, > > > > I am copying & pasting from Andreas's comment to this thread: > > > > +++ > > "Sorry, let me clarify this again: > > * ATC is one year (voting rights for i18n) > > * Free passes for OpenStack conference is 6 months > > > > For ATC, you could take a one time snapshot as well now - going back > > to 1st of April, instead of saving it for later," > > > > > > => Thank you so much for your nice clarification on ATC status and > > summit free passes. > > > > We would vote this issue (removing on Transifex site) on today's IRC > > meeting, and yes. > > We need contribution statistics data from Transifex, and I agree that > > we can query and save Transifex statistics data (from April 1 2015 > > to now) and later > > we would merge this data with Zanata statistics data on next April. > > > > And I am not sure exactly, but we might use openstack/i18n repo to > > store Transfex related data > > into a specific branch, not a master branch. > > > > > > With many thanks, > > > > /Ian > > > > > > Ying Chun Guo wrote on 12/17/2015 1:21 AM: > > If we don't need the contribution data in Transifex, I think we > > could remove it. > > > > As to the back up, it's a personal habit. I just want to keep it as > > the history. > > I will use a repo in github to store the documents, including an > > Excel file with the contribution statistic data. > > > > Best regards > > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > > > > -----Andreas Jaeger <aj(a)suse.com> wrote: ----- > > > > >To: "Ian Y. Choi" <ianyrchoi(a)gmail.com>, Robert Simai > > ><robert.simai(a)suse.com> > > >From: Andreas Jaeger <aj(a)suse.com> > > >Date: 12/16/2015 09:59PM > > >Cc: openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > > >Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Transifex > > > > > >On 2015-12-16 14:45, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > > >> On 2015-12-16 14:34, Ian Y. Choi wrote: > > >>> Hello Robert, > > >>> > > >>> As far as I remember, on the last i18n irc meeting (Dec 03 2015 +6 > > >UTC), > > >>> we discussed this issue. > > >>> > > >>> During the meeting, meeting attendees found that querying to > > >Transifex > > >>> statistics data > > >>> is needed to check ATC status for the next OpenStack release, > > >Mitaka. > > >> > > >> ATC status is handed out only for people active in the current > > >release, > > >> so for the next summit in Austin, only for people that were active > > >in > > >> Mitaka time frame. And since we used Zanata for all of Mitaka, > > >there's > > >> no need to query transifex IMO. > > >> > > >> Katamo is wrong with ATC status for one year, this has changed, > > > > > >See > > >https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/45531/atc-pass-for-the-openstac > > >k-summit/ > > >with information for Tokyo summit (1st of April was cut-off-date), > > > > > >Andreas > > >-- > > > Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi > > > SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany > > > GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, > > > HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) > > > GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 > > >A126 > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Openstack-i18n mailing list > > >Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > > >http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n > > > > > > >

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How do we manage glossary?
by Akihiro Motoki 17 Dec '15

17 Dec '15

Hi team, Recently we added the glossary to the i18n repo [1]. I wonder how we can manage the glossary and am sending this mail. The glossary can be referred to in Zanata, so it would be useful. Mainly I have two questions. The first point is what is the expected process to manage the glossary. How can we update the glossary? When is it uploaded to Zanata for translations? The second point is how we can have the context. I think the second point is also important. Each entry in our glossary has some background, for example why we reach the current consensus. This kind of context is important to discuss for further improvements. I updated the glossary for Japanese translation last week and I added various description about backgrounds of the glossary. I feel it is important to keep the context. How can we manage the context? I don't have a good idea now. I would like to raise these questions for broader discussion. Thanks, Akihiro [1] http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/i18n/tree/i18n

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Transifex
by Ian Y. Choi 17 Dec '15

17 Dec '15

Hello Andreas, I am copying & pasting from Andreas's comment to this thread: +++ "Sorry, let me clarify this again: * ATC is one year (voting rights for i18n) * Free passes for OpenStack conference is 6 months For ATC, you could take a one time snapshot as well now - going back to 1st of April, instead of saving it for later," => Thank you so much for your nice clarification on ATC status and summit free passes. We would vote this issue (removing on Transifex site) on today's IRC meeting, and yes. We need contribution statistics data from Transifex, and I agree that we can query and save Transifex statistics data (from April 1 2015 to now) and later we would merge this data with Zanata statistics data on next April. And I am not sure exactly, but we might use openstack/i18n repo to store Transfex related data into a specific branch, not a master branch. With many thanks, /Ian Ying Chun Guo wrote on 12/17/2015 1:21 AM: > If we don't need the contribution data in Transifex, I think we could > remove it. > > As to the back up, it's a personal habit. I just want to keep it as > the history. > I will use a repo in github to store the documents, including an Excel > file with the contribution statistic data. > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > -----Andreas Jaeger <aj(a)suse.com <mailto:aj@suse.com>> wrote: ----- > > >To: "Ian Y. Choi" <ianyrchoi(a)gmail.com <mailto:ianyrchoi@gmail.com>>, > Robert Simai > ><robert.simai(a)suse.com <mailto:robert.simai@suse.com>> > >From: Andreas Jaeger <aj(a)suse.com <mailto:aj@suse.com>> > >Date: 12/16/2015 09:59PM > >Cc: openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > <mailto:openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org> > >Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Transifex > > > >On 2015-12-16 14:45, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > >> On 2015-12-16 14:34, Ian Y. Choi wrote: > >>> Hello Robert, > >>> > >>> As far as I remember, on the last i18n irc meeting (Dec 03 2015 +6 > >UTC), > >>> we discussed this issue. > >>> > >>> During the meeting, meeting attendees found that querying to > >Transifex > >>> statistics data > >>> is needed to check ATC status for the next OpenStack release, > >Mitaka. > >> > >> ATC status is handed out only for people active in the current > >release, > >> so for the next summit in Austin, only for people that were active > >in > >> Mitaka time frame. And since we used Zanata for all of Mitaka, > >there's > >> no need to query transifex IMO. > >> > >> Katamo is wrong with ATC status for one year, this has changed, > > > >See > >https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/45531/atc-pass-for-the-openstac > >k-summit/ > >with information for Tokyo summit (1st of April was cut-off-date), > > > >Andreas > >-- > > Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com <mailto:aj@%7Bsuse.com>,opensuse.org} > Twitter: jaegerandi > > SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany > > GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, > > HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) > > GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 > >A126 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Openstack-i18n mailing list > >Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org > <mailto:Openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org> > >http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n > > > >

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IRC meeting today
by Ying Chun Guo 17 Dec '15

17 Dec '15

Hi, team We will have IRC meeting today, at 1300UTC in #openstack-meeting. I'm going to cover following topics. * Status update: Liberty installation guide translation * Discussion: Midcycle spring/virtual spring * Vote: delete OpenStack from Transifex * Open discussions Feel free to propose other topics if you like. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Transifex
by Ying Chun Guo 16 Dec '15

16 Dec '15

Hello, team I have handled all the team join requests to OpenStack in Transifex, sending emails to inform the tool change and then rejecting them. I noticed there was no translations happened in Transifex after Oct. I think we could start to remove Openstack projects from Transifex. We may find a place to back up firstly, and then remove. Any objections to the remove ? Any suggestions about the back up ? Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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How to set accept language tag to Dutch (nl) in OpenStack Tempest test framework?
by durga rao 15 Dec '15

15 Dec '15

I have latest tempest downloaded from GitHub.Here is my test requirement:We have a set of test scripts for compute, storage and network. For all the REST calls made by tempest test framework, I want to set the "Accept Language" tag to Dutch [nl] (Netherlands Dutch).It might just be one configuration file change. I want to know the configuration file that needs to be changed.Quick response is appreciated.Thank you

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What's Up, Doc? Holiday Edition
by Lana Brindley 11 Dec '15

11 Dec '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi everyone, This is my final newsletter for the year, as I'm taking summer vacation over the next few weeks (yay for Southern Hemisphere weather!). Your regularly scheduled programming will resume in mid-January. I would like to take a moment to acknowledge the incredible work of the entire documentation team, especially the core team who have worked all year to keep on top of reviews, the speciality team leads who motivate and inspire their teams each and every day, and every single documentation contributor and reviewer: without you all doing your little bit, we wouldn't have had the success we have had. Thank you also to our crew of support people: from infra and release management, to our subject matter experts and the wonderful people on the TC and at Foundation. Thanks for helping us be the best we can be. I would also like to make special mention of Andreas Jaeger and Anne Gentle, who both continue to hold my hand daily and make sure I don't make too much of a fool of myself in public. Your support and encouragement have been invaluable. While we're on the goodwill wagon: if there's someone (or something!) you would like to call out for a special mention, you can do so using #success in our IRC channel. All successes get logged here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Successes and it's a great way to show your appreciation for your fellow community members. == Progress towards Mitaka == 117 days to go! 150 bugs closed so far for this release. RST Conversions * Arch Guide ** RST conversion is complete! Well done Shilla and team for getting this done so incredibly quickly :) * Config Ref ** Is underway: contact the Config Ref Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ConfigRef * Virtual Machine Image Guide ** Is complete! Well done Tomoyuki-san :) Reorganisations * Arch Guide ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/archguide-mitaka-r… ** Doc sprint planned for December 21-22. Contact the Ops Guide speciality team for more info or to get involved. ** Contact the Ops Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide * User Guides ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/user-guides-reorga… ** Contact the User Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/User_Guides DocImpact * Waiting to merge the patch for the new Jenkins job: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251301/ which for now will be against Nova only so we can make sure it's working correctly before we roll it out across the board. Document openstack-doc-tools and reorganise index page * Thanks to Brian and Christian for volunteering to take this on! Horizon UX work * Thanks to the people who offered to help out on this! If you're interested but haven't gotten in touch yet, contact Piet Kruithof of the UX team. There is now a blueprint + spec in draft: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/ui-content-guideli… and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252668/ == Speciality Teams == '''HA Guide - Bogdan Dobrelya''' The change to shift IRC meeting was not accepted. Going to create a new poll this time with correct options suggested by Tony Breeds. No more updates. '''Installation Guide - Christian Berendt''' We require Debian Install Guide testers. Please contact Christian if you're interested. '''Networking Guide - Edgar Magana''' The networking guide had its first official IRC meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NetworkingGuideMeetings We are restructuring a little bit the wikis for better engagement with new contributors; Versioning spec for networking guide has been merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253283/ Working of the remaining actions items from the meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_guide/2015/networking_gu… We have proposed a time and date for an IRC meeting covering APAC time zone: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254999/ '''Security Guide - Nathaniel Dillon''' Planning for a bug sprint and general triage/cleanup. '''User Guides - Joseph Robinson''' The User Guide Reorganization Spec merged this week, and the final User Guide meeting for 2016 has been rescheduled to next Thursday December 16 at 23:30 UTC, and the plan is to discuss work items. A patch for the User Guide Dashboard has begun using the blueprint implementation as a start to the reorg. '''Ops and Arch Guides - Shilla Saebi''' Regarding this spec - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227660/, we decided we are going to hold off until the N-release; Architecture Guide Swarm - Asking for everyone who wants to help to please use the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-guide-reorg to document potential changes; The arch guide RST conversion is complete; For the swarm, everyone works in their timezone. They will then submit patches and allocate team members in the other timezones to review; The final dates for the arch guide virtual swarm is: 12/21-12/22. '''API Docs - Anne Gentle''' Trimming down what is output so that eventually we'll get working Swagger migrated from WADL. Repo still awaits being pulled into gerrit: https://github.com/russell/fairy-slipper to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245352/ Nova API docs sprint 12/8 and 12/9 came up with good questions and answers and patches. Also, the Gabbi API test suite has a new release, see http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081891.html '''Config Ref - Gauvain Pocentek''' The configuration reference RST migration is almost done, only a few more Block Storage drivers docs to handle. Thanks to all the contributors! '''Training labs - Roger Luethi''' Training-labs merged a KVM provider patch which allows the training cluster to build on top of KVM. The IP address ranges now match the install guides. The Liberty training cluster is being worked on. '''Training Guides - Matjaz Pancur''' Through no fault of Matjaz', this report was erroneously left out of the last newsletter, sorry for the delay: A complete Korean translation of the Upstream training material is officially published at http://docs.openstack.org/ko_KR/upstream-training/ (big thanks to Ian Y. Choi and KATO Tomoyuki) '''Hyperviser Tuning Guide - Joe Topjian''' Finished the first pass of converting etherpad notes to the wiki. I sent an email <http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-December/0091…> to the openstack-operators with a summary of the current state. Hopefully the guide will pick up two or three regular contributors to help things along. I'll continue to work on it 1-2 hours a week as I get time. == Core Team Changes == I would like to offer a warm welcome to Atsushi Sakai as our newest core team member. Welcome to the team :) We will resume regular reviews in February 2016. == Doc team meeting == We failed to hold the APAC docs meeting this week because I can't read a calendar, and clearly just need a holiday. My apologies! Next meetings: US: Wednesday 16 December, 14:00 UTC APAC: Will resume in the new year Please go ahead and add any agenda items to the meeting page here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_mee… - -- Happy holidays everyone, and remember to ... Keep on doc'ing! Lana - -- Lana Brindley Technical Writer Rackspace Cloud Builders Australia http://lanabrindley.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWaj4RAAoJELppzVb4+KUyFoAH/jVqenzze6Pl6xF68dKBwouT ij8j80wBMdbUzyn4zc4726uxQ1TMdzXgK+8Q8Ouk4fOewn6cV9rOZJelpSPSboOR Lv4mjm172UxqnrN1npy5f9tB9EnIC/R8N0KlZHJmD0YJ/EbiJ0Hv/wl4/6+f8L7D Ns6iIUylI62a/ycIs7Wz5RGASaMZpZaP1XEeQtUoXbpIHggTlxPcHgETayHVnBMl 5qIuG5B5fgIOdUKQAa41SuMRCttxyHStXCFM/lborpDd6vEbMR2S/UbJb+7zh0jK PIACfhsnnZCBiZqno9NFnxBehdqTXpDG3crG0I9Ajd2YnEdhmFro+jMQr56lkGE= =1Kk+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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What's Up, Doc? 4 December 2015
by Lana Brindley 09 Dec '15

09 Dec '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi everyone, Slight delay in the newsletter this time around, it's been a busy week! I've been working on the DocImpact changes, reviewing the docs and docs-specs core teams, and catching up with blueprint management and reviews from while I was on leave. Since we're getting to the pointy end of the year, remember to call out successes using #success in our IRC channel. All successes get logged here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Successes and it's a great way to show your appreciation for your fellow community members. == Progress towards Mitaka == 121 days to go! 139 bugs closed so far for this release. RST Conversions * Arch Guide ** RST conversion is complete! Well done Shilla and team for getting this done so incredibly quickly :) * Config Ref ** Contact the Config Ref Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ConfigRef * Virtual Machine Image Guide ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/image-guide-rst and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244598/ Reorganisations * Arch Guide ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/archguide-mitaka-r… ** Doc sprint in planning for December 21-22. Contact the Ops Guide speciality team for more info or to get involved. ** Contact the Ops Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide * User Guides ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/user-guides-reorga… ** Contact the User Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/User_Guides DocImpact * This is now well underway, with the first two patches merged. One changes the default bug queue for DocImpact back to the projects' own queue, and the other changes all current projects (with the exception of the six defcore projects) to their own bug queue. There has also been some discussion on the mailing lists about this process change. The next step is to merge the new Jenkins job (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251301/) which for now will be against Nova only so we can make sure it's working correctly before we roll it out across the board. Thank you to Andreas, Josh Hesketh, and everyone else who has helped get us this far, and to the Nova team who are allowing us to use them as guinea pigs. Document openstack-doc-tools and reorganise index page * Thanks to Brian and Christian for volunteering to take this on! Horizon UX work * Thanks to the people who offered to help out on this! If you're interested but haven't gotten in touch yet, contact Piet Kruithof of the UX team. There is now a blueprint + spec in draft: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/ui-content-guideli… and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252668/ == Speciality Teams == '''HA Guide - Bogdan Dobrelya''' Finished IRC meeting schedule poll, finalised the Corosync/pacemaker patch (https://review.openstack.org/235893) participating and tracking progress with the HA for OpenStack instances research (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/automatic-evacuation) to make it into the HA guide, eventually. '''Installation Guide - Christian Berendt''' Debian install guide nearly completed, testers needed; meeting time for the EU/US meeting will probably change from 13 UTC to 17 UTC; Aodh install instructions nearly finished, ongoing discussion because of missing SUSE packages; Japanese translation of the Liberty install guide published. '''Networking Guide - Edgar Magana''' We are having our first official IRC meeting tomorrow at 1600 UTC. The goal is to find out what we can to complete during the Liberty cycle and have specific tasks assigned. Relevant patches: Create tags for the Networking Guide - WIP (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251979/) '''Security Guide - Nathaniel Dillon''' No update this week '''User Guides - Joseph Robinson''' The User guide meeting on IRC worked, however attendance was down; the reorganization spec is updated with information from Big Tent Project navigator to define the scope (http://www.openstack.org/software/project-navigator) and information from the published nova-network to neutron migration study. '''Ops and Arch Guides - Darren Chan''' The arch guide RST conversion is completed. We plan on doing a virtual swarm this December. The doodle link was sent out last week and the poll is now closed. The final date for the virtual swarm is: 12/21-12/22. '''API Docs - Anne Gentle''' Working on usage docs for migration, how to build, what gets migrated, how the docs are assembled: https://github.com/russell/fairy-slipper/blob/master/doc/source/usage.rst Responding to spec reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246660/ Revising patch to bring fairy-slipper into openstack org: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245352/ '''Config Ref - Gauvain Pocentek''' The RST migration is still in progress. The Manila section has been greatly improved in the process, and the Zaqar documentation should land during this cycle as the spec has been approved. '''Training labs - Pranav Salunke''' KVM port is almost done. Planned to merge this by end of this week; Network configuration for the cluster is updated. Now it uses same network addresses as install guides; Welcome berndbausch into our team; Liberty port is in progress. Follow https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-labs-liberty for more details; Need to decide meeting time for weekly IRC meetings. '''Training Guides - Matjaz Pancur''' No update this week '''Hyperviser Tuning Guide - Joe Topjian''' Still on schedule. Halfway done with a first-pass cleanup. Should be ready for open contributions within 2 weeks. == Core Team Changes == During last week, I announced some changes to the docs-specs core team. Previously, this core team was a small subset of docs core team members, with an understanding that we would wait for speciality team leads to +1 a spec relevant to their team before approving. Now we have formalised that process by inviting each speciality team lead to the docs-specs core team, so that they can +2A their own specs. Speciality team leads are listed on the wiki here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams remember to engage them when you create a new spec for approval. We have also reviewed the current docs core team list for December, and the results of that will be announced shortly. We will not be reviewing the team in January because of the holiday period, and will resume regular reviews in February 2016. == Doc team meeting == We held the APAC docs meeting this week. Big thanks to Joseph for running that while I was away, you can read the minutes here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/MeetingLogs#2015-11-25 Next meetings: US: Wednesday 9 December, 14:00 UTC APAC: Wednesday 16 December, 00:30:00 UTC Please go ahead and add any agenda items to the meeting page here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_mee… - -- Just a note that this will be my penultimate newsletter for 2015. Keep on doc'ing! 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