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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Setting up stable-mitaka in Zanata
by Andreas Jaeger 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

I just added trove-dashboard for mitaka, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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why is designate-dashboard excluded from the prioritized translation list?
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

Does anyone describe why designate-dashboard is not listed in the prioritized list? I see designate has assigned a cross project liaison for i18n at least Mar 4 (according to the wiki history) and the project seem to be taking care of translations well. I have no answer for http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090022.html ? Can we describe a reasonable reason for them? Daisy, could you follow up the mailing thread? stable-mitaka is not setup for designate-dashboard. As far as I know, they have setup translation support in the early stage. If I remember correctly, we include murano-dashboard and magnum-ui because they responded in the -dev list. I am not sure we checked the wiki at that time, and the nomination period is enough. Akihiro

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] why is designate-dashboard excluded from the prioritized translation list?
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

Hi Daisy, Thanks for your reply to my rude mail forwarding _o_ > #1 we add it back to the plan. It has only 1 file with 68 words, really a > very small workload. My vote is #1. The following is just to record my memory. I think it was just a bad timing. We can improve the process in the future releases. * designate-dashboard is a candidate of the list, but we didn't see i18n liaison when the team meeting was held on Mar 3. This is the only reason. * In the mail to ask i18n liaison, we just asked to input his/her name to CPL wiki page if you are interested in i18n liaison, but we checked mail response only. * We decided the priority list just three days after the mail of i18n liaison request. Most teams are driven by weekly basis (IRC meeting or something), so three days is too short. Akihiro 2016-03-22 19:16 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > hmm. > I don't know neither. > Maybe nobody proposed to add designate-dashboard in I18n mailing list. > And I don't think I see its liaison when I proposed plugin projects in Feb > 29. > For whatever reasons, the reality is that we missed it in the plan. > > There are two possible solutions. > #1 we add it back to the plan. It has only 1 file with 68 words, really a > very small workload. > #2 we told designate team that we missed it and we will include it in next > release. > > I prefer the first one. > If you agree, I can make stable-mitaka version and we can ask Andreas to > add the corresponding job. > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 03/22/2016 02:59:53 AM: > >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" > <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 03/22/2016 03:02 AM >> Subject: [Openstack-i18n] why is designate-dashboard excluded from >> the prioritized translation list? >> >> Does anyone describe why designate-dashboard is not listed in the >> prioritized list? >> I see designate has assigned a cross project liaison for i18n at least > Mar 4 >> (according to the wiki history) and the project seem to be taking care >> of translations well. >> >> I have no answer for >> > http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090022.html >> ? >> Can we describe a reasonable reason for them? >> Daisy, could you follow up the mailing thread? >> >> stable-mitaka is not setup for designate-dashboard. >> As far as I know, they have setup translation support in the early > stage. >> >> If I remember correctly, we include murano-dashboard and magnum-ui >> because they responded in the -dev list. I am not sure we checked the >> wiki at that time, >> and the nomination period is enough. >> >> Akihiro >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openstack-i18n mailing list >> Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> > >

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Will translation cleanup happen for Mitaka?
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

Hi Daisy, 2016-03-22 19:01 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > Hi, Akihiro > > I see [1] says the clean up patch will remove translations less than 66% ( > infra jobs will only delete translation files less than 20% ). > I remember [1] was an agreement made I18n team before. I was not aware of this agreement. Thanks. > I don't have strong opinion whether to clean up translations or not. > I respect any decisions made by you and Horizon team. I am really surprised. I have never been involved in the decision of translation cleanup. I don't know any decision around this by the Horizon team. Horizon team are always following the I18n team decision about i18n related topic. > If you are going to propose a clean up patch, I will suggest to follow the > same criteria in [1]. It is not a decision of Horizon team, so I am not going to do this. This is the reason I asked this. Thanks, Akihiro > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > [1] > https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations/Infrastructure#Release_handling > > > > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 03/22/2016 01:11:08 AM: > >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" > <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 03/22/2016 01:13 AM >> Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Will translation cleanup happen for Mitaka? >> >> Hi, >> >> I saw translation cleanup which removed PO files of less translated >> language before Liberty release. >> Will the same thing happen for Mitaka release? >> Is anyone from the i18n project aware of it? >> >> I cannot find good information on this. >> The only information is [1] but it looks a proposal. >> I am not sure where it is discussed and who is the contact. >> >> I am writing another mail as Horizon liaison which asks how to update >> horizon language list >> before the release. If some cleanup happens for Mitaka, I hope the >> language list update happens >> at the same time or follow the same criteria. >> >> [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations/ >> Infrastructure#Release_handling >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openstack-i18n mailing list >> Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> > >

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Will translation cleanup happen for Mitaka?
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

Hi, I saw translation cleanup which removed PO files of less translated language before Liberty release. Will the same thing happen for Mitaka release? Is anyone from the i18n project aware of it? I cannot find good information on this. The only information is [1] but it looks a proposal. I am not sure where it is discussed and who is the contact. I am writing another mail as Horizon liaison which asks how to update horizon language list before the release. If some cleanup happens for Mitaka, I hope the language list update happens at the same time or follow the same criteria. [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations/Infrastructure#Release_handling

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Criteria of Horizon language list for Mitaka release
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

Hi i18n team, As Horizon liaison, I would like to ask you all about the criteria of Horizon language list for Mitaka release. The same topic was discussed several releases ago and the consensus at that time were: * remove all translations with less than 90% progress * update the language list accordingly. Translations were imported manually at that time and the situation may be changed now. I don't have an opinion and will just follow the i18n project decision. If no response or well-defined criteria, I will just keep the current language list [1]. The following is just information: We have four PO files (django/djangojs for horizon and openstack_dashboard). The current translation import policy for each PO file is documented here [2]. Each PO file is imported once the translation percentage becomes over 75% and it will be removed when the translation percentage becomes less than 20%. What is our criteria? In future releases, I think we should automate this as a part of translation import jobs. I will reduce the work of horizon liaison. Akihiro [1] https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/openstack_dashboard/settin… [2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations/Infrastructure#Translation_per…

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Translations for release notes in Mitaka? Perhaps NO
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

The release management team has changed the process of generating releases notes for Mitaka. Release notes are generated from YAML files in individual repos by using reno. My understanding is that we don't have translation support for Mitaka release notes. Is it correct? After checking the meeting minutes, I found Kato has an action item to talk about it with the relmgt team. is there any feedback? Personally I am okay with it. I am always using English release notes :-) I am translating release notes only for reading them carefully and better understanding of the release. Thanks, Akihiro

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Looking for Translations for Nova Mitaka RC1
by Augustina Ragwitz 21 Mar '16

21 Mar '16

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 12:34 AM, Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com> wrote: > Ragwitz, > > I hope your team can cut RC2 on March 28, leaving a whole week for > translators to complete their work. > Please help to talk to nova team. > Thank you. > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > "Ragwitz, Augustina" <augustina.ragwitz(a)hpe.com> wrote on 03/18/2016 > 12:12:53 AM: > > > From: "Ragwitz, Augustina" <augustina.ragwitz(a)hpe.com> > > To: Openstack-i18n Openstack-i18n <openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> > > Date: 03/18/2016 12:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Looking for Translations for Nova Mitaka > RC1 > > > > > According the agreement about StringFreeze[1], cutting RC1 means > hard > > > freeze and translators can get extra 10 days to complete their > > > translations after hard freeze. So I don't think we can finish the > job > > > next week. The translation work is planned to be finished at > > the early of > > > the week after next. > > > > > > Can you figure out when is the last day to merge nova translations > ? > > > > I will follow up with the Nova team to find out our projected > > timeline for RC2. We have our team meeting today so I'll bring it up > > then. I assumed it would be end of next week based on the date in > > Launchpad for the OpenStack project [1], but this might not be accurate. > > > > [1] https://launchpad.net/openstack/+milestone/mitaka-rc2 > The Nova team will need to cut RC2 this week because we have some critical issues that need to be addressed before translations will be available. We will include whatever translations are available at that time. We will then cut RC3 the following week per your timeline to ensure all translations are included in the final release. If there is going to be any change to this, then I will follow up and let you all know. We recognize the value of the translations your team provides and will make sure they make it into the final release. --- Augustina Ragwitz Sr Systems Software Engineer, HPE Cloud Hewlett Packard Enterprise --- irc: auggy

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My less activity in Newton (as i18n project) and some suggestions to the team
by Akihiro Motoki 21 Mar '16

21 Mar '16

Hi team, I am writing this mail to announce my less activity in Newton cycle (as I18n project) and will focus on translations and reviews of my focused and interested areas (i.e, dashboards and documentations). Translation is just my spare-time activity, so I need to choose how to spend my time. I have been involved in OpenStack translation activity before the I18n team is organized. The community is growing continuously and it is time for me to focus on translation itself again. I have made various activities including the following for the i18n team so far, but most of them are now over or can be shared by the community. * Coordinate the translation import timing for Horizon (now importing translation are done automatically) * Coordinate the final release timing of dashboards (now we have cross-project liaisons. it is no longer a personal role.) * Coordinate translation imports for stable updates (now imported automatically) * Provide translation check site for dashboards (we will have the official translation check site and I intentionally decided not to provide such site to encourage the effort in the i18n project.) * Continuously improve the upstream of Horizon and documentations for translation friendly. * Setup translation setup for horizon plugins in Mitaka (Completed) * Write various documentations around translation and I18n activities Finally, I would like to share several thoughts and suggestions for the i18n project before stepping down from the main activity of the i18n team. I hope the community is healthy enough and see much progress in Newton. I will help your efforts from individual project side. * Glossary management: It needs to be improved along with a new version of Zanata. The basic process itself on how to update glossary is not documented. In addition to this, contextual information support would be great. * Release notes translation * Documentation around i18n are spread: * We have i18n related documentations in several places. The infra manuals, horizon devref docs, i18n docs, and openstack wiki. We should have better guidance for readers considering their interests. Although appropriate place depends on a content, the i18n team should lead the effort. * Need more documentations for various processes. For example, how we decide prioritized projects for translations should be documented. In Mitaka translations, some dashboard plugin whose member responded in the ML is prioriptized and some plugin who added an entry to the cross project liaison wiki page are not. This is unfair. Another example is the criteria of the language list of Horizon translations. Maintaining the translation check site is another one. * Discussion process: I previously proposed several questions or improvements via MLs or gerrit. In many times, hey let's discuss in team meetings and that's all. No feedback or continued discussion on the original place where discussions happened. This is the point I feel frustrated and one of reason I am leaving. I understand IRC meeting is important, but that's not all. I am not a full-timer for translations and it leads most meeting times do not work. Translations are supported by not small number of volunteers, so I believe more async communications like ML or gerrit should be encouraged. * Better translation quality with technical knowledge: * Previously we try to increase the number of translators to encourage transltaions. I think it is now time to improve the quality of translations for languages translated well. To improve the translation quality, understanding OpenStack projects is inevitable. It is not enough to see strings in Zanata. * We need to explore a way how to improve the quality. In addition to involving technical contributors in translation reviews, I believe pure translators understand the basics of OpenStack projects and their concepts. As I mentioend in a recent IRC meeting (which I could luckily job), translation and reviews of documentations are one of ways to understand OpenStack projects. * For example, in Japanese translations, I played a role of technical reviewers so far, but I am not scalable, so I cannot play this role and have no more time to review server side projects which I am not interested in translations for. I believe other language teams have similar problems. Thanks for your all help so far. Note that I will continue my role as i18n liaison of horizon and neutron. I also continue to be a translator and a reviewer. Best Regards, Akihiro

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PTL non-candidacy
by Ying Chun Guo 21 Mar '16

21 Mar '16

Hi, team I'm writing to let team know I will not run for I18n PTL in Newton cycle. I18n team have a long history starting from July of 2013. I was there at the beginning. Almost 3 years passed, I see the team growth rapidly. Especially in the recently year, a lot of things happened. In Vancouver, we had the first I18n team meeting and we decided to go official. We made it in Liberty cycle. In Tokyo, tens of translators got their ATC codes because of translation contributions. We successfully moved to Zanata. We set up our own I18n repository. Translation contributions can be shown in stackalytics. Translation check website will be ready soon. Full time translators work together with us in Mitaka translation. There were 1 million words translations in Zanata after Liberty translation. I'm sure the number will grow a big amount in Mitaka. I'm so proud of the team and progresses we made. I appreciated the great support from coordinators. I appreciated the help of Elizabeth, Steve, Carlos and Alex, who helped to set up our own dedicated translation website. I appreciated Andreas's work on infra side. I appreciated Tom and Stefano who helped to set up the team. I'm so glad that I made a lot of friends there. I'm happy to see Kato announced his candidacy for the new PTL. I think he is well qualified. I will not leave. I will support the new PTL to make a smooth transition. I will continue as the coordinator of Simplified Chinese team and contributor of I18n team. I'm looking forward to see more achievements we make in the future. Thank you and best regards. Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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