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Re: [Openstack-i18n] [openstack-dev] [nova][i18n] why isn't the client translated?
by Sungjin Kang 30 Jun '14

30 Jun '14

forwarding I18n Team. -- About.me 부터: Matt Riedemann mriedem(a)linux.vnet.ibm.com 답장: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev(a)lists.openstack.org 날짜: 2014년 7월 1일 at 오전 12:02:41 에게: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev(a)lists.openstack.org 제목: [openstack-dev] [nova][i18n] why isn't the client translated? I noticed that there is no locale directory or setup.cfg entry for babel, which surprises me. The v1_1 shell in python-novaclient has a lot of messages marked for translation using the _() function but the v3 shell doesn't, presumably because someone figured out we don't translate the client messages anyway. I'm just wondering why we don't translate the client? -- Thanks, Matt Riedemann _______________________________________________ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev(a)lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev

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[OpenStack-i18n] How can i make translation document?
by Sungjin Kang 26 Jun '14

26 Jun '14

Hi~ I finished translation for api-quick-start document. And checking document… Not find ./tools/generatedocbook . I think used Wiki Tool. Merging script.[1] > make Web document. A um… two month ago. How can i make translation document??? Thanks, Sungjin. [1]: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18n/Tools#Merging_script -- About.me

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Skip I18n meeting tomorrow
by Ying Chun Guo 17 Jun '14

17 Jun '14

Hello, all I'm out of office and is not able to host the meeting at UTC 0000 tomorrow. So let's skip the meeting this time. In the next meeting on July 3rd, we could discuss: * Document translation and publish plans in different language teams. * Progress report about new I18n library for log messages. * Continued discuss of "translatable strings rules" * Open discussion Please get prepared. Thank you. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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The meaning of a string to be translated
by Ying Chun Guo 09 Jun '14

09 Jun '14

"Network Duration": What does "duration" mean? Is it equal to "usage time"? Daisy

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speed up translation workflow in transifex
by Carsten Duch 03 Jun '14

03 Jun '14

Hello, I'm quite new in the translation-team so I have a few question regarding the workflow with transifex. I’ve found a lot of untranslated phrases with only slightly changed text. So to speed up the translation, it is rather easy by simply changing the existing suggestions. To speed up the translation process, is there a way to do a combined searchquery within transifex like the following example? translated: no AND has suggestion: yes AND suggestion rate: > 80% Another problem while doing translations is that I'm sometimes unable to translate it correctly because I'm missing the original context of the phrase. I could open the original documentation in another browser-tab and search manually for the phrase, but that's not really efficient. Any suggestions? Thanx! Carsten

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I18n meeting this Thursday
by Ying Chun Guo 03 Jun '14

03 Jun '14

Hello, team We will have our first I18n meeting in Juno release on June 5th at 0800 UTC in #openstack-meeting. We could discuss following items: Atlanta summit report from Daisy I18n plans in Juno Horizon translatable strings rules (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18n/TranslatableStrings) Open discussions I'm re-evaluating the meeting time. Now we have regular meetings in two different times slots alternately: 0800UTC and 0000UTC. If you want to attend but the times are not good for you, please let me know. I could change them. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Italian Translation volunteer
by Pier Alberto Pierini 03 Jun '14

03 Jun '14

Good Evening, my name is Pier Alberto Pierini, I'm Italian but leave in Canada in this moment. Because I'm very interested in your Openstack project and because I'm learning Python from last year, I would like to help you with the italian translation of your project. I'm not a translator but in this moment I think is the only field I can help you. My Transfix id is PierAlberto. Thank yuo in advance. Pier Alberto

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Translation of log messages
by Andreas Jaeger 30 May '14

30 May '14

Hi translators, Clark and Doug, to translate log messages, Doug has been working on having these in separate domains. That way translators can decide what to translate: User visible strings, info log messages, warning log messages, error log messages, or critical log messages. The base work is done in oslo and now we need to setup the tools to extra these for separate domains. Based on input from Doug and Clark and the existing blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/log-messages-translation-domain… I created a first patch for our jobs that upload to and import from transifex. I would like review comments on it: https://review.openstack.org/95377/ Before this goes in, we need to add the new domains to transifex, I plan to setup everything for this properly - so this is also a heads-up for coming changes. Translators, once this is in, you will see additional domains - I suggest to ignore those for now and concentrate on the normal ones. As an example, for nova, you will see besides the current nova-translations resource additionally: nova-log-error-translations, nova-log-warning-translations, nova-log-critical-translations, nova-log-info-translations. Note that I will rework this patch if my patch for creating common functions for all translation jobs gets positive review and would appreciate your review of that one as well: https://review.openstack.org/95345 Clark, this is a followup to an IRC discussion you had with Doug on 19 Dec, 2013. Translation team, I'll inform you once everything is setup, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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New localized doc web pages
by Andreas Jaeger 29 May '14

29 May '14

The API Quick Start has been translated to French, German, Japanese and Spanish! We now have German and French index pages: http://docs.openstack.org/de/ http://docs.openstack.org/fr/ (proposed - see https://review.openstack.org/96444) For all the guides that are not mentioned on a specific page, we now have a "secret" page which is not reachable from the main index pages: http://docs.openstack.org/draft-i18n-manuals.html It lists all the other guides that are currently built. That way translation teams can easily verify their manuals. If you like to move one of them to "official" pages, feel free to send a patch! Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Japanese End User Guide and Admin User Guide
by Andreas Jaeger 29 May '14

29 May '14

[Resending to i18n list - send to -docs initially] The Japanese team has done a great job translating these two guides! I just tried to build them and got hit by build errors. Could somebody investigate this, please? Once it works again, tell me and I can enable testing and publishing in openstack-manuals. I filled a bug for tracking: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bug/1324007 Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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by Danilo Ingami 26 May '14

26 May '14

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Complete translations are big
by Douglas Fish 26 May '14

26 May '14

I've come across this review for automated translations coming into Horizon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91523/ It concerns me that it has over a half million LOC in it, and many of these languages have near 0 translation. (I checked here: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/horizon/) 0 translation languages have just as many lines as full translations; they are just shorter. I can't give you a specific well-defined issue about why this concerns me, but I'm worried about things like how big it might make our distributions, or adding time to how long it takes to clone a new Horizon instance, or use devstack. I've chatted a bit about this in #openstack-horizon. ajaeger has pointed out to me that this isn't the biggest patch we've had for translations. This one, for example, is 5 million lines: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67521/ This doesn't entirely satisfy me because git clone https://review.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-manuals is taking several minutes for me this morning (full disclosure: I am having some network flakiness today). I'd hate for Horizon to take anywhere near that long to clone. Also in #openstack-horizon jpich has shared that we intend to prune some of these langauges out of Horizon as we approach the release. Maybe it would be best to begin that pruning now, to avoid late dev cycle churn? Does anyone else share my concern about the large size of these translations? Particularly the translations that have near 0 translated strings. Doug Fish

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Korean and Japanese Translations of openstack-manuals broken
by Andreas Jaeger 24 May '14

24 May '14

Please see: http://logs.openstack.org/84/95084/1/check/gate-openstack-manuals-tox-check… 2014-05-23 06:27:40.010 | checksyntax runtests: commands[1] | bash -c find doc -type f -regex '.*\.pot?' -print0|xargs -0 -n 1 msgfmt --check-format -o /dev/null 2014-05-23 06:27:40.041 | /home/jenkins/workspace/gate-openstack-manuals-tox-checksyntax$ /bin/bash -c find doc -type f -regex '.*\.pot?' -print0|xargs -0 -n 1 msgfmt --check-format -o /dev/null 2014-05-23 06:27:40.386 | doc/common/locale/ja.po:14398: end-of-file within string 2014-05-23 06:27:40.386 | doc/common/locale/ja.po:14397: missing `msgstr' section 2014-05-23 06:27:40.387 | msgfmt: found 2 fatal errors 2014-05-23 06:27:40.672 | doc/security-guide/locale/ja.po:2920: end-of-file within string 2014-05-23 06:27:40.672 | msgfmt: found 1 fatal error 2014-05-23 06:27:40.739 | doc/install-guide/locale/ja.po:4335: end-of-file within string 2014-05-23 06:27:40.739 | doc/install-guide/locale/ja.po:4332: missing `msgstr' section 2014-05-23 06:27:40.739 | msgfmt: found 2 fatal errors 2014-05-23 06:27:40.768 | doc/install-guide/locale/ko_KR.po:5278:25: incomplete multibyte sequence at end of file 2014-05-23 06:27:40.768 | doc/install-guide/locale/ko_KR.po:5278: end-of-file within string 2014-05-23 06:27:40.768 | msgfmt: found 2 fatal errors Patch: https://review.openstack.org/95084 Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Translatable strings rules
by Yves-Gwenaël Bourhis 23 May '14

23 May '14

I made a first draft about Translatable strings rules: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18n/TranslatableStrings Please feel free to comment :-) -- Yves-Gwenaël Bourhis

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Translation gate for doc jobs
by Andreas Jaeger 22 May '14

22 May '14

Inspired by some discussions here at the summit, I'd like to setup some translation gate for jobs. Patch https://review.openstack.org/93526 (merged) sets up a test that can be invoked with "tox -e checklang" which builds all "supported" manuals. I propose the following: * Setup checking/gating jobs that runs this test and mark it as non-voting. * Create policy on how to handle failures. Proposed policy: * We only gate on manual/language combinations that are translated sufficiently. Right now that's for openstack-manuals Japanese with the Security Guide, HA Guide and Install Guides only. * If an import from transifex fails, creates a failure, we do not approve the import. * If any other patch fails, the failure might get ignored. * In any case of failure, let's send an email to the openstack-i18n mailing list asking them to investigate and fix. What do you think? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Japanese Security Guide fails to build
by Andreas Jaeger 22 May '14

22 May '14

We now check the translations in the gate and I noticed that the Security Guide fails to build: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bug/1322224 This looks some tools issue, any help on how to fix this is welcome! Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Japanese install-deploy guide failing
by Andreas Jaeger 13 May '14

13 May '14

Hi, I noticed that the Japanese Install Guide is failing, e.g.: https://jenkins05.openstack.org/job/openstack-install-deploy-guide-ja/102/ could somebody help, please? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Icehouse release note translation?
by Akihiro Motoki 02 May '14

02 May '14

Hi, When Havana release, some language teams translated the release notes. Is there a language team who is translating Icehouse Release Notes [1]? Japanese team is now translating the release note [2] and it is almost completed. Once it is available, I would like to add a link to the translated page as we did for Havana. I am not sure the way we use is best or not, but it works so far. [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Icehouse [2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Icehouse/ja Akihiro

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Including the final : with strings
by Douglas Fish 02 May '14

02 May '14

There is a bug and associated code review open for Horizon regarding how to handle the trailing ":" on some messages: The Bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1296075 The Code Review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84342/ The bug and existing code advocate removing the final ":" from strings that have it for consistency. While I understand the need for consistency, I just got a request from a French translator to do the opposite implementation. The translator for French shared with me that including the punctuation as part of the translatable material makes it much easier to create a correct translation. In French, a space is expected between the final word and the final punctuation, including a colon. When the translators are looking at "Image Details:", its much easier from them to recognize where the space should go so they can create "Détails de l'image :". Without the colon as part of the message its hard to know if they should add a trailing space or not. What's the feeling from the i18n community about how we should treat the final punctuation on our strings? Doug Fish

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I18n meeting tomorrow
by Ying Chun Guo 02 May '14

02 May '14

Hello, all At the meeting at the beginning of April, we decided to move the Europe/India friendly meeting time 1 hour later. So let's meet on at UTC 0800 tomorrow in the channel "#openstack-meeting". We could discuss following items: * Including the final : with strings (http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2014-April/000573.html) * contextual-markers for better translations (http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2014-April/000528.html) * I18n related sessions in design summit * Open discussions See you there. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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New meeting time tomorrow?
by Julie Pichon 30 Apr '14

30 Apr '14

Hi Daisy and all, At the meeting at the beginning of April [1] we talked about moving the 0700UTC meeting to one hour later. The wiki page [2] hasn't been updated yet though, so I'd like to confirm at what time the meeting is planned tomorrow? Thanks, Julie [1] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/opensta… [2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting

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https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/openstack/language/<lang> links broken
by Tom Fifield 29 Apr '14

29 Apr '14

Hi, The latest update of Transifex broken the links to the language team pages showing all resources. eg https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/openstack/language/id used to show all of the things you could translate into Indonesian. These were really useful, since they provided a "home" for the particular language team. So far, I haven't been able to find an alternative to this, so we will need to send people to specific projects eg manuals or horizon. On the API side of things, we probably need to make the following change: - “outsource”: openstack, + “team”: 670, Regards, Tom

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API-Quick Starts ready in French and Spanish
by Andreas Jaeger 29 Apr '14

29 Apr '14

Looking at the api-site project, I see that some teams have done great progress and translated 100 per cent. Congratulations! API-Quick-start: French, Spanish API-Guide: Chinese, German Unfortunately, the API Guide is not ready to publish (in English), so this allows us only to publish the API-Quick-Start. I'll setup some jobs to publish these soon so that the teams can review their work and we can decide how to link them from docs.openstack.org, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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django_openstack_auth translation setup?
by Andreas Jaeger 27 Apr '14

27 Apr '14

Hi translation team, I'm trying to fix some more translation jobs and run into a issue with the django_openstack_auth setup. django_openstack_auth setup looks broken, the job fails to run since it expects: django_openstack_auth/locale/django_openstack_auth.pot but the repository uses: openstack_auth/locale/openstack_auth.pot I can fix this but need a bit of guidance here. Where this should get added for translation - will this be a resource in the horizon project in transifex - as it was in havana? And is the name django.po for the LC_MESSAGES file really correct in the repo? Btw. Jenkins output: https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/django_openstack_auth-upstream-translatio… Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] [horizon] contextual-markers for better translations
by François Bureau 24 Apr '14

24 Apr '14

Hello all, Today, we have talked with Yves-Gwenaël about this e-mail. He didn’t' received any answers and I think we need to discuss about it. I would like to know one thing, if we change a marker for a string are we going to lose the related current translation ? For example : currently I have somewhere month = gettext("May") So in transifex I have a string May I have translated in "Mai" (in French) If tomorrow you change into the code month = pgettext("month name", "May") Do we lost the translation already done in Transifex ? Or is it just going to add the context in the string already translated ? If we lost the translation already, for me adding the context into already translated string is a bad idea. We are going to lose too much work. And in this case the context markup has to be used only for new strings. I prefer to keep the legacy for old strings. Thanks a lot for your answers :) Best regards, François Bureau Responsable Centre de Contact E-mail : francois.bureau(a)cloudwatt.com Mobile : 06 40 76 18 01 http://www.cloudwatt.com ----- Mail transféré ----- De: "Yves-Gwenaël Bourhis" <yves-gwenael.bourhis(a)cloudwatt.com> À: openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org Envoyé: Lundi 14 Avril 2014 17:13:27 Objet: [Openstack-i18n] [horizon] contextual-markers for better translations Hi all, I noticed that translating to certain languages requires some compromises in both grammar and syntax to often have a deceiving result... This is due to the fact that we do not use contextual-markers: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/i18n/translation/#contextual-m… except in one unique place: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1307476 The context is required because a word which is spelled the same in English may be 2 different words in an other language. Even less trivial, a same word with the same meaning can be spelled differently depending on the way it is used in a sentence, and there the context is really important. Some work was already done with https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1253678 But contextual-markers need to be added to many translatable strings. The issue about changing translatable strings to contextual translatable strings implies redoing all those translations. Do not PANIC :-) , the current translations will remain as is for Icehouse, the impact of using contextual-markers will be for Juno. My concern is that many other languages than my 2 native ones have a richer syntax, so I may not be aware of all possible contexts required for other languages to be properly translatable. Concerning the example I gave in https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1307476 any comment on the "context" you would need to help you make a better translation will be welcomed, and I'll need your feedback on what context "you" need and in which place in the dashboard, in order to help you make the best translations. So feel free to drop a reply to this mail with all the places where your struggle to provide a translation due to lack of context and where a context and reformulation would really help you do your translations. Thank you all. -- Yves-Gwenaël Bourhis _______________________________________________ Openstack-i18n mailing list Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n

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