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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Pootle and Zanata trial - summary of responses from translators
by Ying Chun Guo 05 Nov '14

05 Nov '14

Hello, all Till now, I got responses from 5 translators in Japanese, Korean, Spanish, French and Chinese translation team. 4 of them clearly described their preferences is Zanata. Here are some comments from them to support Zanata: "Using Zanata, cooperation with other translators is easier: chat room, listing translators who are translating at the same time, comments if a translation is rejected." "The role management of Zanata is powerful. It clearly defines translators, reviewers, and project maintainers." "I like the Project-wide search and replace feature in particular. It allows translators or maintainer to search for a word, a phrase, a sentence, or a paragraph and replace it across multiple files within a single project. It is extremely useful when you do the final editing or reviewing." "I guess the impression a translator can have is that Zanata is more user friendly, whilst Pootle looks a bit quirky makinf finding info or the right links a bir more difficult. I think Zanata is very easy to use and also promote s translator engagement." Also, there are some problems with Pootle which will block us: The support of CJK (Chinese font, Japanese font and Korean font) is poor, for example: saved translations in Korean font is ???; saved translations in CJK fonts do not seem to be recognized by the TM. No official client till now. Our current translation process (uploading, downloading and reviewing) could not be implemented. So as a summary of the translators evaluation, we would prefer to use Zanata. If you have any questions, please let me know. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM wrote on 2014/10/16 17:04:27: > Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM > 2014/10/16 17:04 > > To > > openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org, > > cc > > Subject > > Pootle and Zanata trial > > Hello, team > > Pootle and Zanata trial are ready for test. > 1. Pootle > http://23.253.231.198/projects/ > 2. Zanata > http://15.126.226.230:8080/ > > I need volunteers to test features and feed back how satisfied you feel. > I use an Etherpad page to track: > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/translation-tools-comparation > > I have gotten volunteers from Korean and Indian team. > I'm looking for volunteers from other translation teams. > > If you want to help, please let me know. > If you want to try admin features, send me emails with your account ID. > > Thank you. > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Summaary of Paris Translators meeting
by Ying Chun Guo 05 Nov '14

05 Nov '14

Hello, team There was a session yesterday in Paris Design summit to gather translators together. There were 6 translation teams joined the meeting locally. They are French team, Spanish team, German team, Catalan team, Chinese Taiwan team, and Chinese team. Some team members were trying to join the meeting remotely through Google Hangout. Yet they failed because of a fault made by me. I'm very sorry for that. We discussed how to build translation teams, how to make a high quality translation, and how to maintain the priority definition of documents. There are some good suggestions I could collect. Feel free to add more if I miss. * how to build translation teams #1: Use local Openstack meetups to promote translations #2: Use a blog post on OpenStack planet to promote translations. #3: Give the new comers a start point #4: Give people a goal and a timeframe (a focus) #5: A overall description of translation priorities, including both docs and messages #6: Create mailing lists on OpenStack infrastructure for local translation teams #7: Improve our tools to clearly state translators contributions and teams progresses. Integrate with Stackalytics in the future. * how to make a high quality translation #1: Maintain a glossary #2: Report bugs to projects if the problems of translations are due to the source strings, with a "i18n" tag. #3: Report bugs i18n team if the problems of translations are due to the translation quality, with a tag of language code. ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n) #4: Keep on the improving of "Horizon translatable strings rules" ( https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n_translatable_strings) Educate our developers. * how to maintain the priority definition of documents #1: Team discussion and team decision, including both i18n team and doc team. #2: Keep up to date of the priorities defined now: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/docs-translation Let's define some action items based on these useful suggestions. Keep on the discussion in the ML. We could make a list of actions and owners in our next I18n meeting on Nov 20th. The I18n meeting of this week will be ignored because of the summit. Thank you all for your active participation and contributions. Merci. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Infrastructure Translations Tools session at Kilo Summit
by Elizabeth K. Joseph 30 Oct '14

30 Oct '14

Hello translators! Thanks for your work evaluating Pootle and Zanata, the etherpad[0] will be very helpful to us. If others could chime in on Pootle in the next week or so it would be great. The Infrastructure team has reserved a spot in our track at the summit next week in order to discuss the tools and next steps based on your input and what Andreas and I have discovered about maintainability and process with regard to both tools. The session will be on Thursday at 11AM local (Paris) time: http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/d40800cfbdcd2c9cf752c3cede10cf6e#.V… Please join us if you're available. We've put some infrastructure notes and what we expect from the translations team in the "Summit session" part of our etherpad, so if there are other topics you wish to cover, please add them there: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-translations If you're not available to join, feedback here on list, on the above etherpad or to Daisy, Andreas or myself is welcome so we can make sure your opinions/suggestions are represented at the session. [0] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/translation-tools-comparation -- Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph || Lyz || pleia2

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Need more inputs: Pootle and Zanata trial
by Ying Chun Guo 30 Oct '14

30 Oct '14

Hello, Thank you for those volunteers who are registered as testers: Chandan Kumar Sungjin Kang Tom Fifield Andreas Jaeger Marian Tort Pablo Iranzo Maxime Coquerel (ZiGMaX) I would like to collect more inputs from you. Please response to me with answers to those questions by next Tuesday: (You could response my personal email if you don't want to public your choice.) 1. Which tool do you prefer? 2. Why do you make such choice? e.g. what features of the selected tool do you like? what features of the other tool do you not like? Your inputs will help us to provide good translation services to all translators. Thank you in advance. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) ----- Forwarded by Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM on 2014/10/31 11:25 ----- Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM wrote on 2014/10/16 17:04:27: > Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM > 2014/10/16 17:04 > > To > > openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org, > > cc > > Subject > > Pootle and Zanata trial > > Hello, team > > Pootle and Zanata trial are ready for test. > 1. Pootle > http://23.253.231.198/projects/ > 2. Zanata > http://15.126.226.230:8080/ > > I need volunteers to test features and feed back how satisfied you feel. > I use an Etherpad page to track: > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/translation-tools-comparation > > I have gotten volunteers from Korean and Indian team. > I'm looking for volunteers from other translation teams. > > If you want to help, please let me know. > If you want to try admin features, send me emails with your account ID. > > Thank you. > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Translation update process for stable branch(es)
by Akihiro Motoki 27 Oct '14

27 Oct '14

Hi all, In this mail I would like to discuss what releases do we accept translations. At now there is no systematic process when we import translations after the initial release of some version (Juno, Icehouse, ...). Importing translations to stable update is done occasionally so far. It is almost up to me. When I noticed some need for translation update (mainly in Japanese :-)), I propose a patch to import translations. It is really not systematic. If I am busy, I don't check it. This is the reason the first Icehouse update didn't have translation update. Questions are: - What release(s) we accept translations? Note that "Accept translations" means translations will be imported into a stable branch and releases as a part of the stable update release. My idea is to accept translations only for the latest stable release. - When should we import translations to a stable branch? Systematically (as a team)? Occasionally (up to someone's interest)? My vote is to import translations for each stable update of the latest stable branch. At least the first and second stable update (201X.Y.1 or .2) need to be considered. If we decide to do import as a stable release process as a team, we should assign someone to work on for each stable update (because I can't always take care of it). Assigned person(s) should check the date of a next stable update, check if there are new translations to be imported, and then propose a patch to import translations to a corresponding stable branch. I already have a consensus with the stable maintenance team that the deadline of translations import proposal is 3 day after the freeze date. The freeze date of a stable maintenance release is usually announced in stable-maint list. Thought? Any volunteer? -- Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com>

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OpenStack Docs and OpenStack Academy
by Frans Thamura 27 Oct '14

27 Oct '14

Hi all sorry for cross posting I have several schools, univs and company that join the translation program, and there are discussion regarding this work. because this is voluntaire based work they want a "aknowledgement" and this is my proposal to them 1. OpenStack User Group in their places (as sub OSUG). 2. OpenStack Translation Team 3. OpenStack Academic Team (because we start from Insallation Guide and Training Guide) In another area, the companies that work with me, now also bring to become HP Helion Partner (and Sub Partner) and Ubuntu Advantage Sub-Partner (Which I stand as partner of UA). Any legal thing that I must process, that I can guarrantee this work will grow the openstack movement in this country, and all the content from OpenStack will manage in the same web with OpenStack , https://www.transifex.com/organization/openstack/ I got this idea, because slow process in translation, and there are hugh 55.000 word we need to work :) My propsal If a school and univ commit to join the work, we can bring "OpenStack Translation Team" or "OpenStack Training Guide Team" but the logo of openstack is belong to "openstack foundation" any idea all Thx

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Pootle and Zanata trial
by Ying Chun Guo 24 Oct '14

24 Oct '14

Hello, team Pootle and Zanata trial are ready for test. 1. Pootle http://23.253.231.198/projects/ 2. Zanata http://15.126.226.230:8080/ I need volunteers to test features and feed back how satisfied you feel. I use an Etherpad page to track: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/translation-tools-comparation I have gotten volunteers from Korean and Indian team. I'm looking for volunteers from other translation teams. If you want to help, please let me know. If you want to try admin features, send me emails with your account ID. Thank you. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Japanese operations-guide does not build
by Andreas Jaeger 23 Oct '14

23 Oct '14

The Japanese operations-guide fails to build due to some XML errors that seems to be coming from the translated files Could somebody check and fix the translations, please? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130133/ http://logs.openstack.org/33/130133/1/check/gate-operations-guide-tox-check… Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Wiki.openstack.org now supports translations
by Stefano Maffulli 22 Oct '14

22 Oct '14

Hello folks, I just wanted to quickly update the i18n team that OpenStack wiki now supports translations. For example, I marked for translation the release notes for Juno: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Juno Pages need to be marked for translation and documentation on how to do that is on Mediawiki Translate help page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate The short version is: - Edit the page and add the tag <language /> on top - wrap the whole content of the page in the tags <translate> </translate> - save the page and follow instructions on the page itself Let me know if you have more questions. Regards, Stef PS thanks to Fungi for fixing https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1254911 and Niklas Laxström (Nikerabbit) for fixing the issue upstream. -- Ask and answer questions on https://ask.openstack.org

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Removal of Horizon translations for OLD releases from Transifex
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Oct '14

22 Oct '14

Hi, I would like to discuss when we remove Horizon translations for *old* releases from Transifex. My proposal is to remove translations for old releases when a corresponding stable release is marked as EOL (end of life). After the final release of some version, the corresponding Transifex Horizon resources will be removed. Havana is now EOL and 2013.2.4 release on Sep 23, 2014 is the final Havana release. If the above proposal is accepted, we will remove Havana translation. Thought? Thanks, Akihiro

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Fwd: Making an infra+translations session valuable at the Summit
by Elizabeth K. Joseph 17 Oct '14

17 Oct '14

Hello translators! The Infrastructure team is currently discussing whether we'll have a translations tools session in one of our slots during the session. Please feel free to chime in on the Etherpad linked in the email below if you also have feedback. Thanks. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Elizabeth K. Joseph <lyz(a)princessleia.com> Date: Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:45 PM Subject: Making an infra+translations session valuable at the Summit To: OpenStack Infra <openstack-infra(a)lists.openstack.org> Cc: Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com> Hi everyone, My plane will be in the process of landing during our meeting on Tuesday, so I'll be in that unfortunate spot between air wifi and ground wifi. So instead of a meeting agenda item you get an email thread! There is a question as to whether a translations session will be valuable during summit since we have limited slots. So as promised at the last meeting I've put together this Etherpad to help us figure that out: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-translations What I need from all of you is to chime in (here or in the pad) on what we should discuss and where we need to push forward so we can confirm that a discussion at summit with be valuable. If there are things I should research (like API usefulness/flexibility as compared to our current Transifex scripts) or specific questions about maintainability that I should follow up on, please let me know. The week before Paris I'll be working from the east coast where my environment will be quite accommodating to this kind of research and follow-up. Thanks. -- Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph || Lyz || pleia2

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Obsolete documentation resources
by Andreas Jaeger 15 Oct '14

15 Oct '14

I see that some people are still translating the old z-old* resources: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/openstack-manuals-i18n/resources/ This includes the old basic Install guide that has been removed over a year ago ;( I suggest to remove all of them. Or is there any reason to keep some of them? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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IRC meeting tomorrow
by Ying Chun Guo 15 Oct '14

15 Oct '14

Hello, We will have the I18n meeting tomorrow at 0800 UTC in the channel of #openstack-meeting. We could use this time slot to discuss translation related topics in Paris summit, including: * Translators/I18n meet up * Translation tool discussion Feel free to propose any interested topics you have. Talk to you tomorrow. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Documented translation infrastructure
by Andreas Jaeger 15 Oct '14

15 Oct '14

Elizabeth and myself just had a documentation session and created the following wiki page to document what our infra scripts do: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations/Infrastructure If you have any questions, please ask - and let's improve the documentation further! Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Juno Horizon translation import
by Akihiro Motoki 09 Oct '14

09 Oct '14

Hi translators, As Daisy announced last week, I will propose a patch to import Horizon translations at Oct 9. My planned time is around 1300UTC Oct 9. If you have any problems let me know. The criteria of translation progress in my mind is 95%. Languages with >= 95% translated will be imported. Although we voted and the criteria is 100% or with language coordinator request, Juno Horizon has a lot of translation strings, so I think it is reasonable. At the moment, 11 languages with over 95% and 8 languages with 99%. Thought? I would like not to enforce strict criteria, so if there is any request, please let me know. Thanks, Akihiro

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Translators meet-up in Paris summit
by Ying Chun Guo 09 Oct '14

09 Oct '14

Hello, team We got a 40 minutes translators meet up scheduled in Paris summit: http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/799166eb7cc14d410dcc712621ba318c I know there will be 10+ translators to Paris summit, from Franch, Spanish, Japanese, Chinese, and etc. Let's have a face to face meeting there. An Etherpad page is opened to collect topics in this session: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/paris_translators_meetup Welcome to input your thoughts there. If we have special topics that need more time to work on, we could claim a "project pod" session to get extra time to work on it. So let's do the brainstorming firstly. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Notices about Horizon translation
by Ying Chun Guo 03 Oct '14

03 Oct '14

Hello, all Horizon translations for Juno is almost over. Now there are 11 languages reaching 97% completion rate: Chinese (China), Japanese, Chinese (Taiwan), French, German, Polish (Poland), Portuguese (Brazil), Spanish, English (United Kingdom), English (Australia), Korean (Korea). Congratulations to those translation teams, and many thanks to the coordinators and translators. There are some notices I would like to let you know. 1. Horizon RC1 (release candidate 1) will be cut in 1 day or 2. There are some string freeze exceptions in RC1 in recent days. Please pay attention to the resources update in Transifex even after you complete the translation. 2. After communication with Horizon team, Horizon RC2 (release candidate 2) will be only for translations. We got an extra one week to work on the translation after RC1. The deadline for translation is set to Oct. 9th for the moment. 3. After RC1 is cut, the Juno dev code repository will be changed from "master" branch to "stable/juno" branch. At the same time, the links to Juno translation resources in Transifex will be changed and suffixed with "*-juno". I will let you know when the changes are made. Please pay attention to my following emails. Thank you very much for your hard work! Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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I18n meeting tomorrow
by Ying Chun Guo 01 Oct '14

01 Oct '14

Hello, all We will have our I18n meeting tomorrow at 0800 UTC in the channel of #openstack-meeting. We could discuss following topics: * Status update on Horizon translation * Translators' meet up in Paris summit * Open discussions Welcome to attend. Thanks and best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Call for participation: Juno translation starts
by Ying Chun Guo 01 Oct '14

01 Oct '14

Hello, all The translation for Juno release has been started. In this release, we focus on the Dashboard translation, i.e. Horizon. If you want your language pack to be shipped with OpenStack Juno, please join the translation work. We especially need translators in the following languages: German, Czech, Polish, Portuguese, Chinese (Taiwan), Dutch, Serbian, Hindi and Russian. The translations of these languages translation have made good progress, only around 800 strings left. If these translations could be finished by Oct. 2nd, these language packs could be included in Juno release. We use Transifex to manage the translation. Here are the translation resources that need translation: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/horizon/resource/openstack-dashboard-t… https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/horizon/resource/horizon-translations/ https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/horizon/resource/horizon-js-translatio… If you are a member of your translation team, just jump in and translate. If you are not, you need to register an account in Transfiex and request to join your translation team. If you have any problems with the translation, please send an email to openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org. The whole I18n team would be there to help. Thank you. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Comments for translators in Horizon source codes
by Ying Chun Guo 01 Oct '14

01 Oct '14

Hello, all It looks like Horizon developers write many comments in their codes to translators. According to https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.7/topics/i18n/translation/#comments-for…, these comments should show up in the po files. Yet I checked English version po files and found no comments there. I think the problem may be caused by the po file generation method. Is there anybody who would like to look into this issue? Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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"sell puppies" and "sold puppies" in Horizon
by Ying Chun Guo 29 Sep '14

29 Sep '14

Hello, all If you are translating Horizon today, you may notice two new strings appeared in "Juno - Horizon translations": "sell puppies" and "sold puppies". Don't worry about the translations of these two strings. They are just for testing. You could translate them as usual or just copy the English version there. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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[nova] new log warning, need string freeze exception
by Matt Riedemann 29 Sep '14

29 Sep '14

I've got an rc1 bug which adds a new warning message to the logs, it's not a user-facing error message change so I figure this is safe for string freeze - can someone confirm? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123811/5/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py -- Thanks, Matt Riedemann

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translation member coordination
by Frans Thamura 29 Sep '14

29 Sep '14

hi all we have a lot new translator right now, but we still dont have fulltime and yes as the coordinator, i found several people do translation, and i found also several translate horizon, which I am working with training guide and installation guide any idea to know, which area that we should work. sadly, i dont think can release the horizon in on time, because the time deadline. i need to know, the contribution of each member for the openstack and i accidently several translated string, but i dont know it. this is because i visiting and review several guide can help all? F

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[Keystone] String Freeze Exception for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119452
by Morgan Fainberg 22 Sep '14

22 Sep '14

A release blocking change[1] is adding an exception for a timeout acquiring a connection object from a pool. This string change is meant to help ensure we have clearly communicated the error case. This change has not merged as of the writing of this email but is pending final review. Bringing it to the attention of this list per the wiki [2]. [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119452 [2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StringFreeze

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Horizon translation check site
by Akihiro Motoki 18 Sep '14

18 Sep '14

Hi I18N folks, I can have time to setup a new translation check site of Horizon. The URL is unchanged and only the password is changed. http://157.7.133.23:13580/ Username: demo or admin Password: i18n-juno Note that a new machine only has 16GB disk due to VM. Please make sure that only small volume 1~2GB x ~2 can be created. I would like to know who uses the Horizon translation check site in the past and current releases. I am not sure how many people use the site and it would be a good information whether we need this kind of site as OpenStack infrastructure. Thanks, -- Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com>

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