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Re: [Openstack-i18n] [horizon] contextual-markers for better translations
by François Bureau 24 Apr '14

24 Apr '14

Hello all, Today, we have talked with Yves-Gwenaël about this e-mail. He didn’t' received any answers and I think we need to discuss about it. I would like to know one thing, if we change a marker for a string are we going to lose the related current translation ? For example : currently I have somewhere month = gettext("May") So in transifex I have a string May I have translated in "Mai" (in French) If tomorrow you change into the code month = pgettext("month name", "May") Do we lost the translation already done in Transifex ? Or is it just going to add the context in the string already translated ? If we lost the translation already, for me adding the context into already translated string is a bad idea. We are going to lose too much work. And in this case the context markup has to be used only for new strings. I prefer to keep the legacy for old strings. Thanks a lot for your answers :) Best regards, François Bureau Responsable Centre de Contact E-mail : francois.bureau(a)cloudwatt.com Mobile : 06 40 76 18 01 http://www.cloudwatt.com ----- Mail transféré ----- De: "Yves-Gwenaël Bourhis" <yves-gwenael.bourhis(a)cloudwatt.com> À: openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org Envoyé: Lundi 14 Avril 2014 17:13:27 Objet: [Openstack-i18n] [horizon] contextual-markers for better translations Hi all, I noticed that translating to certain languages requires some compromises in both grammar and syntax to often have a deceiving result... This is due to the fact that we do not use contextual-markers: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/i18n/translation/#contextual-m… except in one unique place: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1307476 The context is required because a word which is spelled the same in English may be 2 different words in an other language. Even less trivial, a same word with the same meaning can be spelled differently depending on the way it is used in a sentence, and there the context is really important. Some work was already done with https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1253678 But contextual-markers need to be added to many translatable strings. The issue about changing translatable strings to contextual translatable strings implies redoing all those translations. Do not PANIC :-) , the current translations will remain as is for Icehouse, the impact of using contextual-markers will be for Juno. My concern is that many other languages than my 2 native ones have a richer syntax, so I may not be aware of all possible contexts required for other languages to be properly translatable. Concerning the example I gave in https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1307476 any comment on the "context" you would need to help you make a better translation will be welcomed, and I'll need your feedback on what context "you" need and in which place in the dashboard, in order to help you make the best translations. So feel free to drop a reply to this mail with all the places where your struggle to provide a translation due to lack of context and where a context and reformulation would really help you do your translations. Thank you all. -- Yves-Gwenaël Bourhis _______________________________________________ Openstack-i18n mailing list Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n

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Recorded Demo of Zanata for OpenStack
by chandan kumar 21 Apr '14

21 Apr '14

Hello, Below is the clear Demo of Zanata on OpenStack which is again created by David. You can watch it online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ5artlNnPY Thanks, Chandan Kumar

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I18n meeting tomorrow - Zanata demo and Q&A
by Ying Chun Guo 18 Apr '14

18 Apr '14

Hello, Tomorrow, let's use our I18n meeting to understand a translation tool - Zanata. David Mason, an engineer on the project will be walking us through some of the platform's features and answer any questions. Considering the location of the speaker, we will meet at 0600 UTC at IRC channel #openstack-meeting. The speaker will use a Google Hangout to share the screen. If you are interested, please make sure your Google ID is available before the meeting. After the meeting, the video will be shared in the internet. You still have chance to watch the demo after the meeting. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Japanese Translations publishing?
by Andreas Jaeger 18 Apr '14

18 Apr '14

Looking at the great work the Japanese team is doing, I wonder why the High Availability and Security Guides are not published on docs.openstack.org. Should I make the changes for these documents? Any other documents I should publish? Note we do not need to add links to these manuals, we can just publish them as is and see that everything looks fine. Details: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/openstack-manuals-i18n/language/ja/ Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Translation tools candidates
by Ying Chun Guo 16 Apr '14

16 Apr '14

Hello, We are evaluating more open source translation tools to see if Transifex could be replaced. The candidates include: Pootle, TranslateWiki, Zanata and so on. This Thursday, I invite a Zanata developer to give an introduction of Zanata. Who would like to attend? Please let me know. I would schedule the meeting in an appropriate time slot. More meetings for other translation tools will be hosted in the future. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Zanata Overview
by Carlos Muñoz (Google+) 16 Apr '14

16 Apr '14

Carlos Muñoz shared Carlos Muñoz's event with you. "Hi All, I have scheduled this Hangout for our Zanata presentation to the OpenStack i18n community. Carlos." Carlos Muñoz's post: Accept the invitation to view the full event: https://plus.google.com/_/notifications/ngemlink?&emid=CKC3z_vY5L0CFQlMNAod… Google+ makes sharing on the web more like sharing in real life. Learn more: http://www.google.com/+/learnmore/ ------------------------ Be thoughtful about who you share this email with; anyone can reshare it. You received this message because Carlos Muñoz shared it with openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org. Click here to unsubscribe from these emails: https://plus.google.com/_/notifications/ngemlink?&emid=CKC3z_vY5L0CFQlMNAod…

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[horizon] contextual-markers for better translations
by Yves-Gwenaël Bourhis 14 Apr '14

14 Apr '14

Hi all, I noticed that translating to certain languages requires some compromises in both grammar and syntax to often have a deceiving result... This is due to the fact that we do not use contextual-markers: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/i18n/translation/#contextual-m… except in one unique place: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1307476 The context is required because a word which is spelled the same in English may be 2 different words in an other language. Even less trivial, a same word with the same meaning can be spelled differently depending on the way it is used in a sentence, and there the context is really important. Some work was already done with https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1253678 But contextual-markers need to be added to many translatable strings. The issue about changing translatable strings to contextual translatable strings implies redoing all those translations. Do not PANIC :-) , the current translations will remain as is for Icehouse, the impact of using contextual-markers will be for Juno. My concern is that many other languages than my 2 native ones have a richer syntax, so I may not be aware of all possible contexts required for other languages to be properly translatable. Concerning the example I gave in https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1307476 any comment on the "context" you would need to help you make a better translation will be welcomed, and I'll need your feedback on what context "you" need and in which place in the dashboard, in order to help you make the best translations. So feel free to drop a reply to this mail with all the places where your struggle to provide a translation due to lack of context and where a context and reformulation would really help you do your translations. Thank you all. -- Yves-Gwenaël Bourhis

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Horizon translation status update
by Akihiro Motoki 11 Apr '14

11 Apr '14

Hi all, Thanks for your efforts of Icehouse translations. I would like to share my plan for Horizon translations both for Havana and Icehouse and know your opinions. [Havana] After Iceehouse is release, the last update of Havana (2013.2.4) is planned [1]. As far as I checked Transifex translations, a couple of languages have updates since Havana 2013.2.2 (released Feb 13). IMO it is better to import translations for the last coming Havana update. Thought? [Icehouse] As we did for Havana stable updates, we have a plan to import translations for each stable Icehouse update. The first two stable updates are good chances to update our translations. [Juno] Juno translations of Horizon are now marked as "translation is not accepted" to avoid confusions. I will remove this restriction once Icehouse is released. As you may know, it does not fit for translations as many changes will happen in the next half year. INSTEAD I would suggest to report issues to Horizon if you feel difficulties during translating for Icehouse or have improvement requests. (Of course this list can be used to discuss these topics too.) The exact dates both for Havana and Icehouse will be determined after the next OpenStack Summit is over. [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranchRelease#Planned_stable.2Fhavana… Thanks, Akihiro

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Regarding Adding Hindi Language to the icehouse Dashboard Translation release list
by chandan kumar 09 Apr '14

09 Apr '14

Hello All, I am translating OpenStack Dashboard for Hindi Language. Right now 662 strings are left in icehouse-horizon-dashboard. It will be get completed by 12:00 P.M. (IST). https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/horizon/language/hi/ it would be great if Hindi is released in Icehouse for Dashboard. Thanks, Chandan Kumar

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Important notice about Horizon translation
by Ying Chun Guo 07 Apr '14

07 Apr '14

Hello all Now Horizon RC1 is shipped. The source codes of Horizon in git repository will be switched from master branch to icehouse branch. Our translation resources will switch as the same time. If you look at the resources of Horizon, you will notice there are 3 resources with a prefix of "Icehouse", and 3 resources with a prefix of "Juno". Now we are working on the translations for Icehouse release. So the resources we are working on are: - Icehouse - Horizon JavaScript Translations: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/horizon/resource/horizon-js-translatio… - Icehouse - Horizon Translations: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/horizon/resource/horizon-translations-… - Icehouse - Openstack Dashboard Translations : https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/horizon/resource/openstack-dashboard-t… The resources for Juno release are marked as "not accept translation". Please pay attention to it. @ French, Korean, Chinese (Taiwan ) and Portuguese translation teams: The translation of "Icehouse - Openstack Dashboard Translations" are not 100% completed. It is caused by the update of source po file. Please take a look at it. Thanks and regards Daisy

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