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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Do we need a slot of i18n translation test meeting?
by Akihiro Motoki 02 Feb '16

02 Feb '16

I sent a patch to drop it. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275045/ Akihiro 2016-02-02 15:01 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > OK. > Thank you for reminding. > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 2016/02/02 13:34:43: > >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" >> <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 2016/02/02 13:36 >> Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Do we need a slot of i18n translation test >> meeting? > >> >> Hi, >> >> Can we release the meeting slot reserved for i18n translation test >> meeting [1]? >> According to the meeting log [2], only one meeting was held and seems >> unnecessary. >> >> [1] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#I18N_Translation_test_meeting >> [2] >> http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_test_meeting/2015/ >> >> Thanks, >> Akihiro >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openstack-i18n mailing list >> Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> >

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Do we need a slot of i18n translation test meeting?
by Akihiro Motoki 02 Feb '16

02 Feb '16

Hi, Can we release the meeting slot reserved for i18n translation test meeting [1]? According to the meeting log [2], only one meeting was held and seems unnecessary. [1] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#I18N_Translation_test_meeting [2] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_test_meeting/2015/ Thanks, Akihiro

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I18n midcycle virtual sprint
by Ying Chun Guo 01 Feb '16

01 Feb '16

Hello, team In the last IRC meeting, we decided to run a midcycle virtual sprint at UTC 1330 on January 29th. For more details please go to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints. The sprint is planned in an weekend. We welcome any people who are interested to join. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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i18n repo: invalid pot files
by Andreas Jaeger 30 Jan '16

30 Jan '16

funning msgfmt --check-format on the i18n repo gives a couple of violations, please check these. Exact command used: find . -type f -regex '.*\.pot?' -print0 | xargs -0 -n 1 msgfmt --check-format -o /dev/null ./i18n/i18n/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/i18n.po:309: duplicate message definition... ./i18n/i18n/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/i18n.po:210: ...this is the location of the first definition msgfmt: found 1 fatal error ./i18n/i18n/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/i18n.po:309: duplicate message definition... ./i18n/i18n/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/i18n.po:210: ...this is the location of the first definition msgfmt: found 1 fatal error ./i18n/i18n/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/i18n.po:311: duplicate message definition... ./i18n/i18n/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/i18n.po:210: ...this is the location of the first definition msgfmt: found 1 fatal error ./i18n/i18n/locale/i18n.pot:13: duplicate message definition... ./i18n/i18n/locale/i18n.pot:2: ...this is the location of the first definition msgfmt: found 1 fatal error ./i18n/i18n/locale/zh_CN/LC_MESSAGES/i18n.po:309: duplicate message definition... ./i18n/i18n/locale/zh_CN/LC_MESSAGES/i18n.po:210: ...this is the location of the first definition msgfmt: found 1 fatal error ./i18n/i18n/locale/ko_KR/LC_MESSAGES/i18n.po:309: duplicate message definition... ./i18n/i18n/locale/ko_KR/LC_MESSAGES/i18n.po:210: ...this is the location of the first definition -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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What's Up, Doc? 29 January 2016
by Lana Brindley 29 Jan '16

29 Jan '16

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi everyone, An incredibly hot week here in the antipodes, coupled with Australia Day has meant that I haven't been particularly productive this week. Luckily, the rest of you have picked up the slack, and things have been ticking along nicely. Thanks everyone :) == Progress towards Mitaka == 68 days to go! 368 bugs closed so far for this release. RST Conversions * All planned RST conversions are now complete! Reorganisations * Arch Guide ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/archguide-mitaka-r… ** Contact the Ops Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide * User Guides ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/user-guides-reorga… ** Contact the User Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/User_Guides DocImpact * After some discussion on the dev list, we're adjusting our approach to this problem. Watch this space. == Speciality Teams == '''HA Guide - Bogdan Dobrelya''' No update this week. '''Installation Guide - Christian Berendt''' AODH install instructions merged '''Networking Guide - Edgar Magana''' Networking guide versioning has been completed, we are publishing Liberty and Mitaka releases. Networking guide ToC has been updated and missing chapter have been assigned. Etherpad with the topic missing from the guide: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide '''Security Guide - Nathaniel Dillon''' No update this week. '''User Guides - Joseph Robinson''' Team meetings started again this week, and the large point was an IA reorg after content merging. Other discussion point included checking in with Docs liasons for Sahara, Trove, Murano, and Magneto plus checking in with interested volunteers for the User Guide Team. '''Ops and Arch Guides - Shilla Saebi''' Reorganization of the architecture guide is on-going. We have a full team of volunteers on our wiki <https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide>, but not much traction. We need more volunteers and we were looking to do a swarm in Manchester but not enough team members attending. Looking to maybe set one up for Austin. '''API Docs - Anne Gentle''' No update this week. '''Config Ref - Gauvain Pocentek''' No update this week. '''Training labs - Pranav Salunke, Roger Luethi''' Liberty support continues to make good progress. We can now launch an instance VM. Some clean up and reviewing still needs to be done. '''Training Guides - Matjaz Pancur''' Preparations for Austin Upstream training (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271006/) New landing page for Training guides (http://docs.openstack.org/draft/training-guides/. '''Hypervisor Tuning Guide - Joe Topjian''' An update to to the Guide was posted back in December with a call for participation: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-December/0091… == Doc team meeting == Next meetings: US: Wednesday 3 February, 14:00 UTC APAC: Wednesday 10 February, 00:30 UTC Please go ahead and add any agenda items to the meeting page here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_mee… Note that there is currently discussion about moving the US meeting four hours later to 20:00 UTC. If you have a strong opinion on this matter, make sure you weigh in on the mailing list thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-January/008206.html - -- Keep on doc'ing! Lana - -- Lana Brindley Technical Writer Rackspace Cloud Builders Australia http://lanabrindley.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWquVYAAoJELppzVb4+KUyBTQH/0M+ixT7g/MIePoZpFms5aSU SvLV/rAJe1dKbB2tNfq5ozNcWS/uMHB+w4bzHGjP+xexOvTUZNoBrKGLcufADMSS ekOMITnr69PLlXh5e+/G55/02sZUFmmq4ZC2xmDrgGbwZLohbLUA/L1G3o+oJGYy 2/KrNAQCutkEKTNwAN4NkA+cbSj8jM8UyVWfFzfEbywSmpmrrQyetEhfmZPj3g9t 7cUnqrRegHI7mwPGeLyM3O2bIj3CLKsmWDFEfzOfoUGDGDCQ6yGj8iv8u4PuA6Zt Mw041/PII0LWDCSvovYnsRoZXMcRGVFfWdBvrOVZaGZfVhZLK/2BrZPIr+r6EzA= =eKF8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] IBM translations to contribute
by Akihiro Motoki 28 Jan '16

28 Jan '16

Hi Doug, First, I don't have any strong opinion on importing Mitaka translation contribution from IBM. Any decision is okay to me. The reason is described below. In addition, as an i18n active member, growing OpenStack translation folks is important but each language team should be a team. All comments below is as one of Japanese team reviewer who reviewed about 50% of strings (> 10000 messages) in Liberty release. I hope the same thing never happens in the Nxx release. Before going to the detail, I must apologize my following message is rude, but let me share my feeling as an active Japanese reviewer. 2016-01-13 0:02 GMT+09:00 Douglas Fish <drfish(a)us.ibm.com>: > Hi Akihiro, > > I understand your concern. These are translations that were completed > outside of Zanata, using our previous process. They were translated using > the same guidelines as the previous IBM contributions. While they are > professionally done and well tested, they have not been written to conform > to OpenStack community guidelines. It's likely any issues that existed in > the previous IBM translations will exist with these as well. Personally I was disappointed significantly with this. I am feeling that my effort to review Japanese IBM translations in Liberty cycle should not be done. I and some reviewers spent not small amount of time to review them because we believe our comments will be feedback-ed to Mitaka translations, but it turns out that it wasted the time. Regarding Japanese translations, the contributed translations did not have the enough quality that we could release them as-is from various points. * Not a small number of terminologies used were not natural to experienced OpenStack operators, * Strings were translated but it seems actual context where strings were used were not checked, especially substitutions (like %s, %(xxx)s), * There are many inconsistency with the existing team guidelines. (I have various experiences of translating Japanese certification exam for IT engineers and I believe I know what quality is ready for such purposes) We left many comments in Zanata but they are not referred at all.............. We, at least me, made these comments to share our guidelines..... In addition, Japanese translation team provides a lot of information including our glossary, contact points, discussion channels through OpenStack wiki page, but it does not work so far.... I will stop writing my feeling here. > I agree this is not a good long term way to complete translations. I'm not > sure if you are aware, but our Italian translation center has completed a > pilot of working directly in Zanata. Notice the high completion percentage > for Horizon Italian. I expect to have broader participation in this area > during the translation of Mitaka. It depends on the progress of translations of each language and I hope it works well. In addition, growing translation community is a good thing in the longer term. > We would like to contribute these translations to help with the OpenStack > translation effort. I understand that because they were not translated with > the same guidelines they may instead be burdensome to the translators. I > believe this is the purpose of creating the branch for offline translations: > so that language coordinators can evaluate if the translations are actually > beneficial to our OpenStack translation efforts, or if they are inconsistent > with the language's guidelines and more trouble than they are worth. I > certainly understand that creating and populating a branch does not mean > that these translations will actually be accepted. For Mitaka translation contribution, I don't have a strong opinion and either option is okay to me. If we talk about only Japanese translations of Mitaka release, server translations do not affect GUI translations (and CLI translation if any). According to our survey in Japan, most of all operators prefer to English messages. Considering these situations, I think Japanese translations of server projects can be shipped as-is without reviews. We can discuss the translation guidelines for Nxxx release translations to address inconsistencies and mismatches. > I'd like to have the branch created so that the review can take place. What > do you think? As mentioned above, I am okay with either decision. I am just concerned and disappointed with the fact that all translation efforts are being done completely separately and hope it never happens. Akihiro > > Doug > > > ----- Original message ----- > From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> > To: Douglas Fish/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS > Cc: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" > <openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> > Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] IBM translations to contribute > Date: Mon, Jan 11, 2016 11:09 PM > > Hi Doug, > > Thanks for continuing the effort. > > I have two questions. > > First, why do we need to use a branch again. > We already set up the translation platform and IBM team can translate > on Zanata directly > as we discussed in Liberty cycle. There is no reason to use a branch > and push translation bursty again. > > Second, is existing community translation guideline per language team > honored in the contributed translations? > When talking about Japanese, we saw a lot of different translation > guidelines on wording in the last IBM translation contributed in > Liberty. > As a reviewer, we don't want to comment the same thing again. > After we Japanese review team reviewed Liberty contribution from IBM, > we don't receive any feedback/response/discussion from IBM team, > so I am afraid we need to do the similar again. It need to be avoided. > Otherwise reviewers will lose their energy. > Could you comment on the situation? > > Thanks, > Akihiro > > > 2016-01-12 12:54 GMT+09:00 Douglas Fish <drfish(a)us.ibm.com>: >> We have translations to contribute for languages >> de es fr it ja ko_KR pt_BR ru zh_CN zh_TW >> for ceilometer, cinder, glance, keystone, neutron, and nova >> >> These are additional translations performed by the same teams that >> translated our previous contributions. They have been reviewed and tested. >> I >> estimate up to 35K messages will be contributed across the 10 languages >> and >> 6 components. >> >> Following the process outlined here >> >> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2015-September/001388.h… >> I am requesting that a branch be created in Zanata to facilitate review of >> these translations by the language coordinators. >> >> Thanks >> >> Doug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openstack-i18n mailing list >> Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> > > > >

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Fwd: [openstack-dev] [all][i18n] Rework of translation setup
by Andreas Jaeger 28 Jan '16

28 Jan '16

FYI, I'll copy resources around for python-* and oslo.* projects, Andreas -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [openstack-dev] [all][i18n] Rework of translation setup Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:13:50 +0100 From: Andreas Jaeger <aj(a)microfocus.com> Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) <openstack-dev(a)lists.openstack.org> Organization: SUSE Linux GmbH, Nuernberg, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton , HRB 21284 (AG Nuernberg) To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) <openstack-dev(a)lists.openstack.org> Projects that want to setup translations for their repositories run into a few common problems and we're addressing these now to make the setup for everybody easier. The problems they run into came from limitations of the current infra scripts, so we rework the infra scripts. We want to have a simple and consistent setup for translations - with a sensible consistency. Right now it’s consistent for python projects but not sensible in some cases. See here for the full spec: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/translation_se… We're working basically on two major changes: a) The same setup for django projects. b) Locate files for python projects in a better place. b) only affects olso.* and python-*client projects: We need to update setup.cfg, your i18n file and move the files from $reponame/locale/$reponame.pot to $modulename/locale/modulename.pot - so placing it in your source directory and not besides it. While we move files around, we also stopped syncing of translations for olso* and python-client projects. So, please review these changes quickly and merge them. For a) we will review each django project and send patches for them as well. Also, we make our scripts more robust - and will document this properly. If you have any questions, please reach out to us. We hope that this will make translation setup for projects easier, Akihiro Motoki & Andreas Jaeger -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] IRC meeting today
by Jeremy Stanley 22 Jan '16

22 Jan '16

On 2016-01-22 14:17:23 +0800 (+0800), Ying Chun Guo wrote: [...] > Zanata has API to query translators activities. [...] Oh, that's excellent news! Maybe the update I heard we were still needing was so that we could let non-administrators query that? > Adding them to "extra ATCs" is a way. > Are there any other options to grant them the election rights ? At the moment you'll need to continue updating the extra-atcs list. The tool which queries our contributors in Gerrit could be extended to also query Zanata, but I haven't even seen the API documentation for that yet so I can't gauge how long it would take me to integrate into what I have. Longer term, of course we want this data source automatically integrated with our contributor listing tools. For the curious, https://review.openstack.org/263971 is the current state of development on the new framework I'm using for determining electoral rolls and qualifiers for contributor summit codes. -- Jeremy Stanley

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IRC meeting today
by Ying Chun Guo 22 Jan '16

22 Jan '16

Hello, team We will have our regular meeting today, at 1300UTC in #openstack-meeting. I'm going to cover following topics: * Discussion: Glossary management process * Discussion: IBM contributions * Status update: Installation guide translation * Status update: Translation check website * Status update: Stackalytics feature Feel free to propose other topics if you like. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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What's Up, Doc? 22 January 2016
by Lana Brindley 22 Jan '16

22 Jan '16

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi everyone, We seem to be more or less back into the swing of things here in docs land this week, with our meeting schedule back up and running, and now our very first full-length newsletter for 2016! We only have two and a half months until Mitaka goes out, but we're in great shape so far, with 345 bugs dealt with, and all the planned RST conversions complete. Most of the discussion this week has been around API documentation and Fairy Slipper, Docs Tools and some site theme changes, and a little back and forth on meeting times. == Progress towards Mitaka == 75 days to go! 345 bugs closed so far for this release. RST Conversions * All RST conversions are now complete! Well done to all the contributors and reviewers who made this happen so quickly this time around. We are now, with only a couple of exceptions, completely converted. Great job :) Reorganisations * Arch Guide ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/archguide-mitaka-r… ** Contact the Ops Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide * User Guides ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/user-guides-reorga… ** Contact the User Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/User_Guides DocImpact * After some discussion on the dev list, we're adjusting our approach to this problem. Watch this space. == Speciality Teams == '''HA Guide - Bogdan Dobrelya''' Meeting moved http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-January/008209.html. Kenneth finished his Galera patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263075/, there were also several patches from different contributors, so things are improving. '''Installation Guide - Christian Berendt''' AODH instructions near completion, EU/US meeting moved (Every two weeks (on even weeks) on Tuesday at 1600 UTC), APAC meeting will be dropped the next weeks if if not more participants join. '''Networking Guide - Edgar Magana''' No update this week. '''Security Guide - Nathaniel Dillon''' No update this week. '''User Guides - Joseph Robinson''' One patch combining Images and Instances content merged, and a patch on Shared File Systems is now available for review. User Guide team meetings are set to begin next Thursday, with guidelines for combining admin and cloud admin files a topic for discussion. '''Ops and Arch Guides - Shilla Saebi''' No update this week. '''API Docs - Anne Gentle''' Anne imported and triaged over 60 GitHub Issues into Launchpad bugs. Anne working on build jobs for making API docs with fairy-slipper: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269809. Anne emailed over 25 individuals about the plans for API docs and answered follow-up questions. Karen worked on validated Swagger: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266527/. Need to release fairy-slipper this week or next. '''Config Ref - Gauvain Pocentek''' No update this week. '''Training labs - Roger Luethi''' Liberty is making good progress, trying to get Liberty patches working. Early beginnings of Fedora support switched to CentOS. Copy-on-write disks for KVM. Bug fixing and refactoring, as usual. Early work on python port. Plan to host training labs on a web page. '''Training Guides - Matjaz Pancur''' German translation of the Upstream training (http://docs.openstack.org/de/upstream-training/) - this makes 3 full translations (en, de, ko_kr), ja is at 80%. A patch that enables direct bug reporting on the slides (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259654/) several other patches. '''Hyperviser Tuning Guide - Joe Topjian''' No update this week. == Core Team Changes == The next core team review will occur on 1 February. In the meantime, it's probably a good time to go over what being a core means, and how the review system works. For more detail, see the Contributor Guide: http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/docs-review.html Docs cores have the ability to +2 docs reviews, and they also have the ability to merge reviews. Reviews are merged by cores only once there's been *two* +2 votes, and at least one +1. There are very few exceptions to this rule, for changes that need to go through very quickly to resolve gate breakages or similar, but this rule holds in just about every situation. Cores are assigned based on merit, usually through the core review process that we do every month. During a core review, the PTL gathers statistics on reviews made, and patches created and merged, and uses that to determine who should be added to (or removed from) the core list. That then goes to a vote of the existing core team before being actioned and announced. Core team members also have the ability to nominate (and vote on) exceptional team members, where the statistics might not reflect the amount of effort they have put in. If you ever have any questions about becoming a docs core, or about getting your docs patch merged, you can contact the team on the usual docs mailing list, or ping any of us on IRC. == Doc team meeting == The US team meeting was held last week, you can read the minutes here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/MeetingLogs#2016-01-20 Next meetings: APAC: Wednesday 27 January, 00:30 UTC US: Wednesday 3 February, 14:00 UTC Please go ahead and add any agenda items to the meeting page here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_mee… Note that there is currently discussion about moving the US meeting four hours later to 20:00 UTC. If you have a strong opinion on this matter, make sure you weigh in on the mailing list thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-January/008206.html - -- Keep on doc'ing! 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