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I18n meeting tomorrow - Zanata demo and Q&A
by Ying Chun Guo 18 Apr '14

18 Apr '14

Hello, Tomorrow, let's use our I18n meeting to understand a translation tool - Zanata. David Mason, an engineer on the project will be walking us through some of the platform's features and answer any questions. Considering the location of the speaker, we will meet at 0600 UTC at IRC channel #openstack-meeting. The speaker will use a Google Hangout to share the screen. If you are interested, please make sure your Google ID is available before the meeting. After the meeting, the video will be shared in the internet. You still have chance to watch the demo after the meeting. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Japanese Translations publishing?
by Andreas Jaeger 18 Apr '14

18 Apr '14

Looking at the great work the Japanese team is doing, I wonder why the High Availability and Security Guides are not published on docs.openstack.org. Should I make the changes for these documents? Any other documents I should publish? Note we do not need to add links to these manuals, we can just publish them as is and see that everything looks fine. Details: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/openstack-manuals-i18n/language/ja/ Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Translation tools candidates
by Ying Chun Guo 16 Apr '14

16 Apr '14

Hello, We are evaluating more open source translation tools to see if Transifex could be replaced. The candidates include: Pootle, TranslateWiki, Zanata and so on. This Thursday, I invite a Zanata developer to give an introduction of Zanata. Who would like to attend? Please let me know. I would schedule the meeting in an appropriate time slot. More meetings for other translation tools will be hosted in the future. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Zanata Overview
by Carlos Muñoz (Google+) 16 Apr '14

16 Apr '14

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[horizon] contextual-markers for better translations
by Yves-Gwenaël Bourhis 14 Apr '14

14 Apr '14

Hi all, I noticed that translating to certain languages requires some compromises in both grammar and syntax to often have a deceiving result... This is due to the fact that we do not use contextual-markers: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/i18n/translation/#contextual-m… except in one unique place: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1307476 The context is required because a word which is spelled the same in English may be 2 different words in an other language. Even less trivial, a same word with the same meaning can be spelled differently depending on the way it is used in a sentence, and there the context is really important. Some work was already done with https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1253678 But contextual-markers need to be added to many translatable strings. The issue about changing translatable strings to contextual translatable strings implies redoing all those translations. Do not PANIC :-) , the current translations will remain as is for Icehouse, the impact of using contextual-markers will be for Juno. My concern is that many other languages than my 2 native ones have a richer syntax, so I may not be aware of all possible contexts required for other languages to be properly translatable. Concerning the example I gave in https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1307476 any comment on the "context" you would need to help you make a better translation will be welcomed, and I'll need your feedback on what context "you" need and in which place in the dashboard, in order to help you make the best translations. So feel free to drop a reply to this mail with all the places where your struggle to provide a translation due to lack of context and where a context and reformulation would really help you do your translations. Thank you all. -- Yves-Gwenaël Bourhis

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Horizon translation status update
by Akihiro Motoki 11 Apr '14

11 Apr '14

Hi all, Thanks for your efforts of Icehouse translations. I would like to share my plan for Horizon translations both for Havana and Icehouse and know your opinions. [Havana] After Iceehouse is release, the last update of Havana (2013.2.4) is planned [1]. As far as I checked Transifex translations, a couple of languages have updates since Havana 2013.2.2 (released Feb 13). IMO it is better to import translations for the last coming Havana update. Thought? [Icehouse] As we did for Havana stable updates, we have a plan to import translations for each stable Icehouse update. The first two stable updates are good chances to update our translations. [Juno] Juno translations of Horizon are now marked as "translation is not accepted" to avoid confusions. I will remove this restriction once Icehouse is released. As you may know, it does not fit for translations as many changes will happen in the next half year. INSTEAD I would suggest to report issues to Horizon if you feel difficulties during translating for Icehouse or have improvement requests. (Of course this list can be used to discuss these topics too.) The exact dates both for Havana and Icehouse will be determined after the next OpenStack Summit is over. [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranchRelease#Planned_stable.2Fhavana… Thanks, Akihiro

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Regarding Adding Hindi Language to the icehouse Dashboard Translation release list
by chandan kumar 09 Apr '14

09 Apr '14

Hello All, I am translating OpenStack Dashboard for Hindi Language. Right now 662 strings are left in icehouse-horizon-dashboard. It will be get completed by 12:00 P.M. (IST). https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/horizon/language/hi/ it would be great if Hindi is released in Icehouse for Dashboard. Thanks, Chandan Kumar

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Important notice about Horizon translation
by Ying Chun Guo 07 Apr '14

07 Apr '14

Hello all Now Horizon RC1 is shipped. The source codes of Horizon in git repository will be switched from master branch to icehouse branch. Our translation resources will switch as the same time. If you look at the resources of Horizon, you will notice there are 3 resources with a prefix of "Icehouse", and 3 resources with a prefix of "Juno". Now we are working on the translations for Icehouse release. So the resources we are working on are: - Icehouse - Horizon JavaScript Translations: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/horizon/resource/horizon-js-translatio… - Icehouse - Horizon Translations: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/horizon/resource/horizon-translations-… - Icehouse - Openstack Dashboard Translations : https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/horizon/resource/openstack-dashboard-t… The resources for Juno release are marked as "not accept translation". Please pay attention to it. @ French, Korean, Chinese (Taiwan ) and Portuguese translation teams: The translation of "Icehouse - Openstack Dashboard Translations" are not 100% completed. It is caused by the update of source po file. Please take a look at it. Thanks and regards Daisy

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Review I18n meeting time
by Ying Chun Guo 03 Apr '14

03 Apr '14

Hello, team We have used these two meeting times for several months: 0700UTC on the first Thursday and 0000UTC on the third Thursday. I'd like to review if the meeting times work for you, or whether we need to change to another time. Please help to answer these questions: 1. Would you like to attend I18n meeting? (If YES, go to question 2 & 3; if NO, go to question 4 ) --YES to question 1-- 2. Which time and frequency do you prefer? 3. Any suggestions to make the meeting useful and effective. --NO to question 1-- 4. Which communication way do you prefer? You can reply to me only if you don't want to share your thoughts. And I welcome any suggestions to improve our meetings and communication methods. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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[Ironic] [i18n] Testing translations
by Devananda van der Veen 01 Apr '14

01 Apr '14

For those interested in translations, I'd like to jot down a few notes from the last few days' work to get i18n'd strings into Ironic before our RC. Hopefully some of this will be helpful to someone out there -- it's been a learning experience for me :) Quick background: - the project was set up with transifex a while back - folks have been translating our strings on transifex - jenkins has been regularly proposing updates to ironic, which we've accepted However, late last week I noticed that none of the ironic/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES/ironic.po files had any actual translated strings in them. Some digging revealed that there were two problems: * most of the .po files had somehow gotten malformatted (duplicate blank messages). We now have a tox check to prevent this. * the file timestamps were newer than the translations on transifex. Easy work around is "pull --force". Manual fixes for both of these have landed in Ironic, and longer-term fixes have gone up for infra and some other projects. To determine whether or not this was successful in enabling translated strings in Ironic, I had to learn a few things about babel and gettextutils, but there's still a lot more catching up on the whole i18n discussion that I need to do. This morning, I confirmed, in fact, our LOG messages are getting translated based on the system language, if the correct locale's .mo file is found in the appropriate system path, or that path is overridden with the IRONIC_LOCALEDIR env var. At the moment, Ironic's API strings will also be translated based on the system language, not on the Accept-Language header. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1300939 I've jotted down some notes on how to recreate an environment which reproduces this without needing to package and install ironic. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TestingTranslations It also seems that we're not programatically testing whether translation works or not. Maybe there's a good reason this hasn't been done yet... but after spending a couple days getting it to work in Ironic, I would like to add a test to our gate so that I know it stays working. I'm not sure the best way to go about that, but I hope someone who knows more about tx/msgfmt/babel/etc can look at my notes above and suggest or get something going from that. Cheers, Devananda

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