Freenode and

Dmitry Tantsur dtantsur at
Thu May 20 16:06:55 UTC 2021

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 6:01 PM Thomas Goirand <zigo at> wrote:

> On 5/19/21 6:22 PM, Artem Goncharov wrote:
> > Yes, pool would be great.
> >
> > Please do not take this offensive, but just stating IRC survived till
> now and thus we should keep it is not really productive from my pov.
> What about: everything else than IRC is just plain crap? Seriously,
> that's plain truth...

So is IRC. Seriously, I like bashing Slack as much as anyone, but this goes
a bit overboard. You're disrespecting a decent number of FOSS projects that
put good effort in making next generation communication platforms.

> > Why is everything what OpenStack doing/using is so complex? (Please do
> not comment on the items below, I’m not really interested in any
> answers/explanations. This is a rhetorical question)
> > - gerrit. Yes it is great, yes it is fulfilling our needs. But how much
> we would lower the entry barrier for the contributions not using such
> complex setup that we have.
> > - irc. Yes it survived till now. Yes it does simple things the best way.
> When I am online - everything is perfect (except of often connection
> drops). But the fun starts when I am not online (one of the simplest things
> for the communication platform with normally 60% of the day duration). Why
> should anyone care of searching any reasonably maintained IRC bouncer (or
> grep through eavesdrop logs), would should anyone pay for a simple mobile
> client?
> > - issue tracker. You know yourself...
> Gerrit is just wonderful. What's hard isn't gerrit itself, is the way we
> are processing the auth, which is another problem.
> As for IRC bouncer, have you ever tried Quassel? It comes with:
> - a heavy client on all major platforms (Linux, Windows, Mac)
> - a mobile client (which is quite nice, really...)
> - an irc bouncer that's so easy to setup

Do I get it right that you're suggesting that YOU will maintain a free IRC
bouncer for everyone who needs it for OpenStack business? Or do you suggest
that everyone sets up their own one? Even outreachy interns, drive-by
contributors and non-coding contributors?

In other words, "just use an IRC bouncer" shifts the problem from us to
those who want to talk to us. So much for inclusiveness.


> all of that integrated, in a single package. It's super super easy to
> setup and I love it. Please do not replace this wonder by Slack or one
> of its clones...
> Cheers,
> Thomas Goirand (zigo)

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