<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 6:01 PM Thomas Goirand <<a href="mailto:zigo@debian.org">zigo@debian.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 5/19/21 6:22 PM, Artem Goncharov wrote:<br>
> Yes, pool would be great.<br>
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> Please do not take this offensive, but just stating IRC survived till now and thus we should keep it is not really productive from my pov.<br>
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What about: everything else than IRC is just plain crap? Seriously,<br>
that's plain truth...<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So is IRC. Seriously, I like bashing Slack as much as anyone, but this goes a bit overboard. You're disrespecting a decent number of FOSS projects that put good effort in making next generation communication platforms.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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> Why is everything what OpenStack doing/using is so complex? (Please do not comment on the items below, I’m not really interested in any answers/explanations. This is a rhetorical question)<br>
> - gerrit. Yes it is great, yes it is fulfilling our needs. But how much we would lower the entry barrier for the contributions not using such complex setup that we have.<br>
> - irc. Yes it survived till now. Yes it does simple things the best way. When I am online - everything is perfect (except of often connection drops). But the fun starts when I am not online (one of the simplest things for the communication platform with normally 60% of the day duration). Why should anyone care of searching any reasonably maintained IRC bouncer (or grep through eavesdrop logs), would should anyone pay for a simple mobile client?<br>
> - issue tracker. You know yourself...<br>
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Gerrit is just wonderful. What's hard isn't gerrit itself, is the way we<br>
are processing the auth, which is another problem.<br>
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As for IRC bouncer, have you ever tried Quassel? It comes with:<br>
- a heavy client on all major platforms (Linux, Windows, Mac)<br>
- a mobile client (which is quite nice, really...)<br>
- an irc bouncer that's so easy to setup<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Do I get it right that you're suggesting that YOU will maintain a free IRC bouncer for everyone who needs it for OpenStack business? Or do you suggest that everyone sets up their own one? Even outreachy interns, drive-by contributors and non-coding contributors?</div><div><br></div><div>In other words, "just use an IRC bouncer" shifts the problem from us to those who want to talk to us. So much for inclusiveness.</div><div><br></div><div>Dmitry<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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all of that integrated, in a single package. It's super super easy to<br>
setup and I love it. Please do not replace this wonder by Slack or one<br>
of its clones...<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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Thomas Goirand (zigo)<br>
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