[openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

Jay Pipes jaypipes at gmail.com
Mon Jun 15 11:12:52 UTC 2015

On 06/15/2015 06:20 AM, Joe Gordon wrote:
> One of the stated problems the 'big tent' is supposed to solve is:
> 'The binary nature of the integrated release results in projects outside
> the integrated release failing to get the recognition they deserve.
> "Non-official" projects are second- or third-class citizens which can't
> get development resources. Alternative solutions can't emerge in the
> shadow of the blessed approach. Becoming part of the integrated release,
> which was originally designed to be a technical decision, quickly became
> a life-or-death question for new projects, and a political/community
> minefield.' [0]
> Meaning projects should see an uptick in development once they drop
> their second-class citizenship and join OpenStack. Now that we have been
> living in the world of the big tent for several months now, we can see
> if this claim is true.
> Below is a list of the first few few projects to join OpenStack after
> the big tent, All of which have now been part of OpenStack for at least
> two months.[1]
> * Mangum -  Tue Mar 24 20:17:36 2015
> * Murano - Tue Mar 24 20:48:25 2015
> * Congress - Tue Mar 31 20:24:04 2015
> * Rally - Tue Apr 7 21:25:53 2015
> When looking at stackalytics [2] for each project, we don't see any
> noticeably change in number of reviews, contributors, or number of
> commits from before and after each project joined OpenStack.
> So what does this mean? At least in the short term moving from
> Stackforge to OpenStack does not result in an increase in development
> resources (too early to know about the long term).  One of the three
> reasons for the big tent appears to be unfounded, but the other two
> reasons hold.

You have not given enough time to see the effects of the Big Tent, IMHO. 
Lots of folks in the corporate world just found out about it at the 
design summit, frankly.

 > The only thing I think this information changes is what
> peoples expectations should be when applying to join OpenStack.

What is your assumption of what people's expectations are when applying 
to join OpenStack?


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