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If there are no concrete points why we should wait, I'm +1 to go ahead with
merges.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 1:32 AM Oleg Gelbukh <ogelbukh at mirantis.com> wrote:

> Evgeniy,
>
> True, and I fully support merging this particular change as soon as
> possible, i.e. the moment the 'master' is open for 9.0 development.
>
> -Oleg
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Evgeniy L <eli at mirantis.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Oleg,
>>
>> With the same degree of confidence we can say that anything we have in
>> the beginning of
>> the release cycle is not urgent enough. We pushed early branching
>> specifically for
>> such big changes as Docker removal/Changing repos structures and merging
>> invasive patches
>> for new release features.
>>
>> Vladimir Kuklin,
>>
>> I'm not sure what do you mean by "fixing 2 different environments"? With
>> environment without
>> containers it will simplify debugging process.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Oleg Gelbukh <ogelbukh at mirantis.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Although I agree that it should be done, the removal of Docker doesn't
>>> seem an urgent feature to me. It is not blocking anything besides moving to
>>> full package-based deployment of Fuel, as far as I understand. So it could
>>> be easily delayed for one milestone, especially if it is already almost
>>> done and submitted for review, so it could be merged fast before any other
>>> significant changes land in 'master' after it is open.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Oleg Gelbukh
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Vladimir Kozhukalov <
>>> vkozhukalov at mirantis.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Vladimir,
>>>>
>>>> I have other activities planned for the time immediately after SCF
>>>> (separating UI from fuel-web, maybe it is even more invasive :-)) and it is
>>>> not a big deal to postpone this feature or another. I am against the
>>>> approach itself of postponing something because it is too invasive. If we
>>>> create stable branch master becomes open. That was our primary intention to
>>>> open master earlier than later when we decided to move stable branch
>>>> creation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vladimir Kozhukalov
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Vladimir Kuklin <vkuklin at mirantis.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Vladimir
>>>>>
>>>>> I am pretty much for removing docker, but I do not think that we
>>>>> should startle our developers/QA folks with additional efforts on fixing 2
>>>>> different environments. Let's just think from the point of development
>>>>> velocity here and at delay such changes for at least after NY. Because if
>>>>> we do it immediately after SCF there will be a whole bunch of holidays and
>>>>> Russian holidays are Jan 1st-10th and you (who is the SME for docker
>>>>> removal) will be offline. Do you really want to fix things instead of
>>>>> enjoying holidays?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Evgeniy L <eli at mirantis.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 to Vladimir Kozhukalov,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Entire point of moving branches creation to SCF was to perform such
>>>>>> changes as
>>>>>> early as possible in the release, I see no reasons to wait for HCF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Vladimir Kozhukalov <
>>>>>> vkozhukalov at mirantis.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We already discussed this and we have made a decision to move stable
>>>>>>> branch creation from HCF to SCF. There were reasons for this. We agreed
>>>>>>> that once stable branch is created, master becomes open for new features.
>>>>>>> Let's avoid discussing this again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vladimir Kozhukalov
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Bulat Gaifullin <
>>>>>>> bgaifullin at mirantis.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Bulat Gaifullin
>>>>>>>> Mirantis Inc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15 Dec 2015, at 22:19, Andrew Maksimov <amaksimov at mirantis.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Andrey Maximov
>>>>>>>> Fuel Project Manager
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Vladimir Kuklin <
>>>>>>>> vkuklin at mirantis.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Folks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This email is a proposal to push Docker containers removal from
>>>>>>>>> the master node to the date beyond 8.0 HCF.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is why I propose to do so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Removal of Docker is a rather invasive change and may introduce a
>>>>>>>>> lot of regressions. It is well may affect how bugs are fixed - we might
>>>>>>>>> have 2 ways of fixing them, while during SCF of 8.0 this may affect
>>>>>>>>> velocity of bug fixing as you need to fix bugs in master prior to fixing
>>>>>>>>> them in stable branches. This actually may significantly increase our
>>>>>>>>> bugfixing pace and put 8.0 GA release on risk.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Yours Faithfully,
>>>>>>>>> Vladimir Kuklin,
>>>>>>>>> Fuel Library Tech Lead,
>>>>>>>>> Mirantis, Inc.
>>>>>>>>> +7 (495) 640-49-04
>>>>>>>>> +7 (926) 702-39-68
>>>>>>>>> Skype kuklinvv
>>>>>>>>> 35bk3, Vorontsovskaya Str.
>>>>>>>>> Moscow, Russia,
>>>>>>>>> www.mirantis.com <http://www.mirantis.ru/>
>>>>>>>>> www.mirantis.ru
>>>>>>>>> vkuklin at mirantis.com
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> Yours Faithfully,
>>>>> Vladimir Kuklin,
>>>>> Fuel Library Tech Lead,
>>>>> Mirantis, Inc.
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