<div dir="ltr">If there are no concrete points why we should wait, I'm +1 to go ahead with merges.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 1:32 AM Oleg Gelbukh <<a href="mailto:ogelbukh@mirantis.com">ogelbukh@mirantis.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Evgeniy,<div><br></div><div>True, and I fully support merging this particular change as soon as possible, i.e. the moment the 'master' is open for 9.0 development.</div></div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>-Oleg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Evgeniy L <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eli@mirantis.com" target="_blank">eli@mirantis.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Oleg,<div><br></div><div>With the same degree of confidence we can say that anything we have in the beginning of</div><div>the release cycle is not urgent enough. We pushed early branching specifically for</div><div>such big changes as Docker removal/Changing repos structures and merging invasive patches</div><div>for new release features.</div><div><br></div><div>Vladimir Kuklin,</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not sure what do you mean by "fixing 2 different environments"? With environment without</div><div>containers it will simplify debugging process.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Oleg Gelbukh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ogelbukh@mirantis.com" target="_blank">ogelbukh@mirantis.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi</div><div><br></div>Although I agree that it should be done, the removal of Docker doesn't seem an urgent feature to me. It is not blocking anything besides moving to full package-based deployment of Fuel, as far as I understand. So it could be easily delayed for one milestone, especially if it is already almost done and submitted for review, so it could be merged fast before any other significant changes land in 'master' after it is open.<div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Oleg Gelbukh</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Vladimir Kozhukalov <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vkozhukalov@mirantis.com" target="_blank">vkozhukalov@mirantis.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Vladimir, <div><br></div><div>I have other activities planned for the time immediately after SCF (separating UI from fuel-web, maybe it is even more invasive :-)) and it is not a big deal to postpone this feature or another. I am against the approach itself of postponing something because it is too invasive. If we create stable branch master becomes open. That was our primary intention to open master earlier than later when we decided to move stable branch creation. </div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div><div><div>Vladimir Kozhukalov</div></div></div></font></span><div><div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Vladimir Kuklin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vkuklin@mirantis.com" target="_blank">vkuklin@mirantis.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Vladimir<div><br></div><div>I am pretty much for removing docker, but I do not think that we should startle our developers/QA folks with additional efforts on fixing 2 different environments. Let's just think from the point of development velocity here and at delay such changes for at least after NY. Because if we do it immediately after SCF there will be a whole bunch of holidays and Russian holidays are Jan 1st-10th and you (who is the SME for docker removal) will be offline. Do you really want to fix things instead of enjoying holidays?</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Evgeniy L <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eli@mirantis.com" target="_blank">eli@mirantis.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">+1 to Vladimir Kozhukalov,<div><br></div><div>Entire point of moving branches creation to SCF was to perform such changes as</div><div>early as possible in the release, I see no reasons to wait for HCF.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Vladimir Kozhukalov <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vkozhukalov@mirantis.com" target="_blank">vkozhukalov@mirantis.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">-1 <div> </div><div>We already discussed this and we have made a decision to move stable branch creation from HCF to SCF. There were reasons for this. We agreed that once stable branch is created, master becomes open for new features. Let's avoid discussing this again.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div><div><div>Vladimir Kozhukalov</div></div></div></font></span><div><div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Bulat Gaifullin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bgaifullin@mirantis.com" target="_blank">bgaifullin@mirantis.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>+1</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 15 Dec 2015, at 22:19, Andrew Maksimov <<a href="mailto:amaksimov@mirantis.com" target="_blank">amaksimov@mirantis.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">+1<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Andrey Maximov</div><div>Fuel Project Manager</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Vladimir Kuklin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vkuklin@mirantis.com" target="_blank">vkuklin@mirantis.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Folks<div><br></div><div>This email is a proposal to push Docker containers removal from the master node to the date beyond 8.0 HCF. </div><div><br></div><div>Here is why I propose to do so.</div><div><br></div><div>Removal of Docker is a rather invasive change and may introduce a lot of regressions. It is well may affect how bugs are fixed - we might have 2 ways of fixing them, while during SCF of 8.0 this may affect velocity of bug fixing as you need to fix bugs in master prior to fixing them in stable branches. This actually may significantly increase our bugfixing pace and put 8.0 GA release on risk.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><div><br></div>-- <br><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Yours Faithfully,<br>Vladimir Kuklin,<br>Fuel Library Tech Lead,<br>Mirantis, Inc.<br><a href="tel:%2B7%20%28495%29%20640-49-04" value="+74956404904" target="_blank">+7 (495) 640-49-04</a><br><a href="tel:%2B7%20%28926%29%20702-39-68" value="+79267023968" target="_blank">+7 (926) 702-39-68</a><br>Skype kuklinvv<br>35bk3, Vorontsovskaya Str.<br>Moscow, Russia,<br><a href="http://www.mirantis.ru/" target="_blank">www.mirantis.com</a><br><a href="http://www.mirantis.ru/" target="_blank">www.mirantis.ru</a><br><a href="mailto:vkuklin@mirantis.com" target="_blank">vkuklin@mirantis.com</a></div></div></div></div>
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