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Hi Anita,

Thanks for the effort to help. I'll try to help as well providing feedback
and with anything else I can do the improve deployers experience.

Thanks,
Erlon


On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Anita Kuno <anteaya at anteaya.info> wrote:

> On 09/01/2014 09:27 AM, Erlon Cruz wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Stefano Maffulli <stefano at openstack.org
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri 29 Aug 2014 12:47:00 PM PDT, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote:
> >>> Third-party-request
> >>>
> >>> This list is the new place to request the creation or modification of
> >>> your third party account. Note that old requests sent to the
> >>> openstack-infra mailing list don't need to be resubmitted, they are
> >>> already in the queue for creation.
> >>
> >> I'm not happy about this decision: creating new lists is expensive, it
> >> multiplies entry points for newcomers, which need to be explained *and*
> >> understood. We've multiplying processes, rules, points of contact and
> >> places to monitor, be aware of... I feel overwhelmed. I wonder how much
> >> worse that feeling is for people who are not 150% of their time
> >> following discussions online and offline on all OpenStack channels.
> >>
> >>
> > I feel the same. As a new comer to openstack community, I can say that
> > digging all projects Wikis searching for information is very cumbersome.
> In
> > fact It took some months to get subscribed in all channels that where
> > relevant to me. But, who knows if I'm missing some at this very moment.
> >
> >
> Your experience is common, Erlon, simply because setting up a third
> party ci system was never designed for newcomers to OpenStack. The third
> party process assumes familiarity with OpenStack at the very least as a
> developer, since our first 3 to 5 systems were created by regular
> contributors. We never imagined that people with zero experience with
> OpenStack would be setting up a third party ci system as their first
> objective, but that has proven to be the case.
>
> Given the volume, and level of experience with open source, new
> operators are bringing with them we, and specifically I, am overwhelmed
> with what folks need to accomplish their goals.
>
> Trying to make this experience less overwhelming was a motivating factor
> behind setting up the third party weekly meetings and setting goals for
> these meetings.
>
>
> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Goals_for_Third_Party_meetings
>
> You can see from reading the goals that one of our objectives is to have
> documentation in one place. Due to the nature of pressure from many
> sources on operators we haven't gotten very far in that goal, but it is
> still a goal and we are working towards it. I welcome your participation
> in continuing to move in the direction of that goal.
>
> Thanks Erlon,
> Anita.
>
>
> >> Are you sure that a mailing list is the most appropriate way of handling
> >> requests? Aren't bug trackers more appropriate instead?  And don't we
> >> have a bug tracker already?
> >>
> >>> It would also be helpful for third party operators to join this
> >>> mailing list as well as the -announce list in order to reply when they
> >>> can to distribute workload and support new participants to thethird
> >>> party community.
> >>
> >> What makes you think they will join a list called 'request'? It's a
> >> request: I file a request, get back what I asked for, I say goodbye.
> >> Doesn't sound like a place for discussions.
> >>
> >> Also, if the problem with third-party operators is that they don't stick
> >> around, how did you come to the conclusion that two more mailing lists
> >> would solve (or help solving) the problem?
> >>
> >>
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