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Hello Frank,

I did not notice the list of project but just from the perspective of 
translation metrics in Stackalytics and Zanata,
whitepaper translation contribution is retrieved from Zanata to 
Stackalytics according to the implementation through 
https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288871/ .

For the perspective on Stackalytics <-> the list of projects, another 
possible solution would be to create "openstack-org" project in Zanata,
migrate edge-computing & container whitepaper into "openstack-org" 
project with different version names, ane
adding "openstack-org" project in Stackalytics for consistency.


With many thanks,

/Ian

Frank Kloeker wrote on 8/7/2018 4:49 PM:
> Many thanks, Jimmy! At last I draw your attention to Stackalytics. 
> Translation metrics for whitepapers not counted there. Maybe you have 
> an advice for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/588965/
>
> kind regards
>
> Frank
>
> Am 2018-08-06 21:07, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>> A heads up that the Translators are now listed at the bottom of the
>> page as well, along with the rest of the paper contributors:
>>
>> https://www.openstack.org/edge-computing/cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-data-center?lang=ja_JP 
>>
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Jimmy
>>
>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>
>>> thanks for announcement. Great stuff! It looks really great and it's 
>>> easy to navigate. I think a special thanks goes to Sebastian for 
>>> designing the pages. One small remark: have you tried text-align: 
>>> justify? I think it would be a little bit more readable, like a 
>>> science paper (German word is: Ordnung)
>>> I put the projects again on the frontpage of the translation 
>>> platform, so we'll get more translations shortly.
>>>
>>> kind regards
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> Am 2018-08-02 21:07, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>> The Edge and Containers translations are now live.  As new
>>>> translations become available, we will add them to the page.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.openstack.org/containers/
>>>> https://www.openstack.org/edge-computing/
>>>>
>>>> Note that the Chinese translation has not been added to Zanata at this
>>>> time, so I've left the PDF download up on that page.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks everyone and please let me know if you have questions or 
>>>> concerns!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> Jimmy
>>>>
>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>>>> Frank,
>>>>>
>>>>> We expect to have these papers up this afternoon. I'll update this 
>>>>> thread when we do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Sebastian,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> okay, it's translated now. In Edge whitepaper is the problem with 
>>>>>> XML-Parsing of the term AT&T. Don't know how to escape this. 
>>>>>> Maybe you will see the warning during import too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> kind regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 2018-07-30 20:09, schrieb Sebastian Marcet:
>>>>>>> Hi Frank,
>>>>>>> i was double checking pot file and realized that original pot 
>>>>>>> missed
>>>>>>> some parts of the original paper (subsections of the paper) 
>>>>>>> apologizes
>>>>>>> on that
>>>>>>> i just re uploaded an updated pot file with missing subsections
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Frank Kloeker <eumel at arcor.de> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> from the GUI I'll get this link:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/edge-computing/pot-translation/de/po?docId=cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-data-center 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> paper version  are only in container whitepaper:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/leveraging-containers-openstack/paper/de/po?docId=leveraging-containers-and-openstack 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In general there is no group named papers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> kind regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 2018-07-30 17:06, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>>>>> Frank,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We're getting a 404 when looking for the pot file on the Zanata 
>>>>>>>> API:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/papers/papers/de/po?docId=edge-computing 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a result, we can't pull the po files.  Any idea what might be
>>>>>>>> happening?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seeing the same thing with both papers...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Korean and German version are now done on the new format. Can you
>>>>>>>> check publishing?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 2018-07-19 16:47, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Follow up on the Edge paper specifically:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/pot-translation/documents?dswid=-3192 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [4] This is now available. As I mentioned on IRC this morning, it
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> be VERY close to the PDF.  Probably just needs a quick review.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let me know if I can assist with anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you to i18n team for all of your help!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ian raises some great points :) I'll try to address below...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ian Y. Choi wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I saw overall translation source strings on container
>>>>>>>> whitepaper, I would infer that new edge computing whitepaper
>>>>>>>> source strings would include HTML markup tags.
>>>>>>>> One of the things I discussed with Ian and Frank in Vancouver is
>>>>>>>> the expense of recreating PDFs with new translations.  It's
>>>>>>>> prohibitively expensive for the Foundation as it requires design
>>>>>>>> resources which we just don't have.  As a result, we created the
>>>>>>>> Containers whitepaper in HTML, so that it could be easily updated
>>>>>>>> w/o working with outside design contractors.  I indicated that we
>>>>>>>> would also be moving the Edge paper to HTML so that we could 
>>>>>>>> prevent
>>>>>>>> that additional design resource cost.
>>>>>>>> On the other hand, the source strings of edge computing whitepaper
>>>>>>>> which I18n team previously translated do not include HTML markup
>>>>>>>> tags, since the source strings are based on just text format.
>>>>>>>> The version that Akihiro put together was based on the Edge PDF,
>>>>>>>> which we unfortunately didn't have the resources to implement 
>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>> same format.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really appreciate Akihiro's work on RST-based support on
>>>>>>>> publishing translated edge computing whitepapers, since
>>>>>>>> translators do not have to re-translate all the strings.
>>>>>>>> I would like to second this. It took a lot of initiative to 
>>>>>>>> work on
>>>>>>>> the RST-based translation.  At the moment, it's just not usable 
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the reasons mentioned above.
>>>>>>>> On the other hand, it seems that I18n team needs to investigate on
>>>>>>>> translating similar strings of HTML-based edge computing 
>>>>>>>> whitepaper
>>>>>>>> source strings, which would discourage translators.
>>>>>>>> Can you expand on this? I'm not entirely clear on why the HTML
>>>>>>>> based translation is more difficult.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's my point of view on translating edge computing whitepaper.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For translating container whitepaper, I want to further ask the
>>>>>>>> followings since *I18n-based tools*
>>>>>>>> would mean for translators that translators can test and publish
>>>>>>>> translated whitepapers locally:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - How to build translated container whitepaper using original
>>>>>>>> Silverstripe-based repository?
>>>>>>>> https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/tools.html [5] describes
>>>>>>>> well how to build translated artifacts for RST-based OpenStack
>>>>>>>> repositories
>>>>>>>> but I could not find the way how to build translated container
>>>>>>>> whitepaper with translated resources on Zanata.
>>>>>>>> This is a little tricky.  It's possible to set up a local version
>>>>>>>> of the OpenStack website
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (https://github.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org/blob/master/installation.md 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [6]).  However, we have to manually ingest the po files as they 
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> completed and then push them out to production, so that 
>>>>>>>> wouldn't do
>>>>>>>> much to help with your local build.  I'm open to suggestions on 
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> we can make this process easier for the i18n team.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With many thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /Ian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote on 7/17/2018 11:01 PM:
>>>>>>>> Frank,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sorry to hear about the displeasure around the Edge paper.  As
>>>>>>>> mentioned in a prior thread, the RST format that Akihiro worked 
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>> not work with the  Zanata process that we have been using with our
>>>>>>>> CMS.  Additionally, the existing EDGE page is a PDF, so we had to
>>>>>>>> build a new template to work with the new HTML whitepaper 
>>>>>>>> layout we
>>>>>>>> created for the Containers paper. I outlined this in the thread "
>>>>>>>> [OpenStack-I18n] [Edge-computing] [Openstack-sigs] Edge Computing
>>>>>>>> Whitepaper Translation" on 6/25/18 and mentioned we would be ready
>>>>>>>> with the template around 7/13.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We completed the work on the new whitepaper template and then put
>>>>>>>> out the pot files on Zanata so we can get the po language files
>>>>>>>> back. If this process is too cumbersome for the translation team,
>>>>>>>> I'm open to discussion, but right now our entire translation 
>>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>>> is based on the official OpenStack Docs translation process 
>>>>>>>> outlined
>>>>>>>> by the i18n team:
>>>>>>>> https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/en_GB/tools.html [7]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, I realize Akihiro put in some work on his own proposing the
>>>>>>>> new translation type. If the i18n team is moving to this format
>>>>>>>> instead, we can work on redoing our process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please let me know if I can clarify further.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> permission was added for you and Sebastian. The Container 
>>>>>>>> Whitepaper
>>>>>>>> is on the Zanata frontpage now. But we removed Edge Computing
>>>>>>>> whitepaper last week because there is a kind of displeasure in the
>>>>>>>> team since the results of translation are still not published 
>>>>>>>> beside
>>>>>>>> Chinese version. It would be nice if we have a commitment from the
>>>>>>>> Foundation that results are published in a specific timeframe. 
>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>> includes your requirements until the translation should be
>>>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thx Frank
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 2018-07-16 17:26, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I should have also added... we additionally need 
>>>>>>>> permissions
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> that we can add the a new version of the pot file to this project:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/edge-computing/versions?dswid=-7835 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [8] Thanks!
>>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have both of the current whitepapers up and available for
>>>>>>>> translation.  Can we promote these on the Zanata homepage?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/leveraging-containers-openstack?dswid=5684 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [9]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/master/documents?dswid=5684 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [10] Thanks all!
>>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Links:
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/edge-computing/pot-translation/de/po?docId=cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-data-center 
>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/leveraging-containers-openstack/paper/de/po?docId=leveraging-containers-and-openstack 
>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/papers/papers/de/po?docId=edge-computing 
>>>>>>> [4]
>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/pot-translation/documents?dswid=-3192 
>>>>>>> [5] https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/tools.html
>>>>>>> [6] 
>>>>>>> https://github.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org/blob/master/installation.md 
>>>>>>> [7] https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/en_GB/tools.html
>>>>>>> [8]
>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/edge-computing/versions?dswid=-7835 
>>>>>>> [9]
>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/leveraging-containers-openstack?dswid=5684 
>>>>>>> [10]
>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/master/documents?dswid=5684 
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