[openstack-dev] [i18n] Edge and Containers whitepapers ready for translation
Frank Kloeker
eumel at arcor.de
Tue Aug 7 07:49:17 UTC 2018
Many thanks, Jimmy! At last I draw your attention to Stackalytics.
Translation metrics for whitepapers not counted there. Maybe you have an
advice for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/588965/
kind regards
Frank
Am 2018-08-06 21:07, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
> A heads up that the Translators are now listed at the bottom of the
> page as well, along with the rest of the paper contributors:
>
> https://www.openstack.org/edge-computing/cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-data-center?lang=ja_JP
>
> Cheers!
> Jimmy
>
> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>> Hi Jimmy,
>>
>> thanks for announcement. Great stuff! It looks really great and it's
>> easy to navigate. I think a special thanks goes to Sebastian for
>> designing the pages. One small remark: have you tried text-align:
>> justify? I think it would be a little bit more readable, like a
>> science paper (German word is: Ordnung)
>> I put the projects again on the frontpage of the translation platform,
>> so we'll get more translations shortly.
>>
>> kind regards
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Am 2018-08-02 21:07, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>> The Edge and Containers translations are now live. As new
>>> translations become available, we will add them to the page.
>>>
>>> https://www.openstack.org/containers/
>>> https://www.openstack.org/edge-computing/
>>>
>>> Note that the Chinese translation has not been added to Zanata at
>>> this
>>> time, so I've left the PDF download up on that page.
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone and please let me know if you have questions or
>>> concerns!
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>>> Frank,
>>>>
>>>> We expect to have these papers up this afternoon. I'll update this
>>>> thread when we do.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Jimmy
>>>>
>>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>>>> Hi Sebastian,
>>>>>
>>>>> okay, it's translated now. In Edge whitepaper is the problem with
>>>>> XML-Parsing of the term AT&T. Don't know how to escape this. Maybe
>>>>> you will see the warning during import too.
>>>>>
>>>>> kind regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 2018-07-30 20:09, schrieb Sebastian Marcet:
>>>>>> Hi Frank,
>>>>>> i was double checking pot file and realized that original pot
>>>>>> missed
>>>>>> some parts of the original paper (subsections of the paper)
>>>>>> apologizes
>>>>>> on that
>>>>>> i just re uploaded an updated pot file with missing subsections
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Frank Kloeker <eumel at arcor.de>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> from the GUI I'll get this link:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/edge-computing/pot-translation/de/po?docId=cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-data-center
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> paper version are only in container whitepaper:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/leveraging-containers-openstack/paper/de/po?docId=leveraging-containers-and-openstack
>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In general there is no group named papers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> kind regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 2018-07-30 17:06, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>>>> Frank,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're getting a 404 when looking for the pot file on the Zanata
>>>>>>> API:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/papers/papers/de/po?docId=edge-computing
>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a result, we can't pull the po files. Any idea what might be
>>>>>>> happening?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seeing the same thing with both papers...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Korean and German version are now done on the new format. Can you
>>>>>>> check publishing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 2018-07-19 16:47, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Follow up on the Edge paper specifically:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/pot-translation/documents?dswid=-3192
>>>>>>> [4] This is now available. As I mentioned on IRC this morning, it
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> be VERY close to the PDF. Probably just needs a quick review.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know if I can assist with anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you to i18n team for all of your help!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>>>>>> Ian raises some great points :) I'll try to address below...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ian Y. Choi wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I saw overall translation source strings on container
>>>>>>> whitepaper, I would infer that new edge computing whitepaper
>>>>>>> source strings would include HTML markup tags.
>>>>>>> One of the things I discussed with Ian and Frank in Vancouver is
>>>>>>> the expense of recreating PDFs with new translations. It's
>>>>>>> prohibitively expensive for the Foundation as it requires design
>>>>>>> resources which we just don't have. As a result, we created the
>>>>>>> Containers whitepaper in HTML, so that it could be easily updated
>>>>>>> w/o working with outside design contractors. I indicated that we
>>>>>>> would also be moving the Edge paper to HTML so that we could
>>>>>>> prevent
>>>>>>> that additional design resource cost.
>>>>>>> On the other hand, the source strings of edge computing
>>>>>>> whitepaper
>>>>>>> which I18n team previously translated do not include HTML markup
>>>>>>> tags, since the source strings are based on just text format.
>>>>>>> The version that Akihiro put together was based on the Edge PDF,
>>>>>>> which we unfortunately didn't have the resources to implement in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same format.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really appreciate Akihiro's work on RST-based support on
>>>>>>> publishing translated edge computing whitepapers, since
>>>>>>> translators do not have to re-translate all the strings.
>>>>>>> I would like to second this. It took a lot of initiative to work
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the RST-based translation. At the moment, it's just not usable
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the reasons mentioned above.
>>>>>>> On the other hand, it seems that I18n team needs to investigate
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> translating similar strings of HTML-based edge computing
>>>>>>> whitepaper
>>>>>>> source strings, which would discourage translators.
>>>>>>> Can you expand on this? I'm not entirely clear on why the HTML
>>>>>>> based translation is more difficult.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's my point of view on translating edge computing whitepaper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For translating container whitepaper, I want to further ask the
>>>>>>> followings since *I18n-based tools*
>>>>>>> would mean for translators that translators can test and publish
>>>>>>> translated whitepapers locally:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - How to build translated container whitepaper using original
>>>>>>> Silverstripe-based repository?
>>>>>>> https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/tools.html [5] describes
>>>>>>> well how to build translated artifacts for RST-based OpenStack
>>>>>>> repositories
>>>>>>> but I could not find the way how to build translated container
>>>>>>> whitepaper with translated resources on Zanata.
>>>>>>> This is a little tricky. It's possible to set up a local version
>>>>>>> of the OpenStack website
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> (https://github.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org/blob/master/installation.md
>>>>>>> [6]). However, we have to manually ingest the po files as they
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> completed and then push them out to production, so that wouldn't
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> much to help with your local build. I'm open to suggestions on
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> we can make this process easier for the i18n team.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With many thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Ian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote on 7/17/2018 11:01 PM:
>>>>>>> Frank,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sorry to hear about the displeasure around the Edge paper.
>>>>>>> As
>>>>>>> mentioned in a prior thread, the RST format that Akihiro worked
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>> not work with the Zanata process that we have been using with
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> CMS. Additionally, the existing EDGE page is a PDF, so we had to
>>>>>>> build a new template to work with the new HTML whitepaper layout
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> created for the Containers paper. I outlined this in the thread "
>>>>>>> [OpenStack-I18n] [Edge-computing] [Openstack-sigs] Edge Computing
>>>>>>> Whitepaper Translation" on 6/25/18 and mentioned we would be
>>>>>>> ready
>>>>>>> with the template around 7/13.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We completed the work on the new whitepaper template and then put
>>>>>>> out the pot files on Zanata so we can get the po language files
>>>>>>> back. If this process is too cumbersome for the translation team,
>>>>>>> I'm open to discussion, but right now our entire translation
>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>> is based on the official OpenStack Docs translation process
>>>>>>> outlined
>>>>>>> by the i18n team:
>>>>>>> https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/en_GB/tools.html [7]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, I realize Akihiro put in some work on his own proposing
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> new translation type. If the i18n team is moving to this format
>>>>>>> instead, we can work on redoing our process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let me know if I can clarify further.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> permission was added for you and Sebastian. The Container
>>>>>>> Whitepaper
>>>>>>> is on the Zanata frontpage now. But we removed Edge Computing
>>>>>>> whitepaper last week because there is a kind of displeasure in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> team since the results of translation are still not published
>>>>>>> beside
>>>>>>> Chinese version. It would be nice if we have a commitment from
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Foundation that results are published in a specific timeframe.
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>> includes your requirements until the translation should be
>>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thx Frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 2018-07-16 17:26, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>>>> Sorry, I should have also added... we additionally need
>>>>>>> permissions
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> that we can add the a new version of the pot file to this
>>>>>>> project:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/edge-computing/versions?dswid=-7835
>>>>>>> [8] Thanks!
>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have both of the current whitepapers up and available for
>>>>>>> translation. Can we promote these on the Zanata homepage?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/leveraging-containers-openstack?dswid=5684
>>>>>>> [9]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/master/documents?dswid=5684
>>>>>>> [10] Thanks all!
>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Links:
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/edge-computing/pot-translation/de/po?docId=cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-data-center
>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/leveraging-containers-openstack/paper/de/po?docId=leveraging-containers-and-openstack
>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/papers/papers/de/po?docId=edge-computing
>>>>>> [4]
>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/pot-translation/documents?dswid=-3192
>>>>>> [5] https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/tools.html
>>>>>> [6]
>>>>>> https://github.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org/blob/master/installation.md
>>>>>> [7] https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/en_GB/tools.html
>>>>>> [8]
>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/edge-computing/versions?dswid=-7835
>>>>>> [9]
>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/leveraging-containers-openstack?dswid=5684
>>>>>> [10]
>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/master/documents?dswid=5684
>>>>>> [11]
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