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Oh my mistake - document not version. Rewriting:

For the perspective on Stackalytics <-> the list of projects, another 
possible solution would be to create "openstack-org" project in Zanata,
migrate edge-computing & container whitepaper from two different 
projects into "openstack-org" project with different document names, and
adding "openstack-org" project in Stackalytics for consistency.


With many thanks,

/Ian



Ian Y. Choi wrote on 8/8/2018 12:06 AM:
> Hello Frank,
>
> I did not notice the list of project but just from the perspective of 
> translation metrics in Stackalytics and Zanata,
> whitepaper translation contribution is retrieved from Zanata to 
> Stackalytics according to the implementation through 
> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288871/ .
>
> For the perspective on Stackalytics <-> the list of projects, another 
> possible solution would be to create "openstack-org" project in Zanata,
> migrate edge-computing & container whitepaper into "openstack-org" 
> project with different version names, ane
> adding "openstack-org" project in Stackalytics for consistency.
>
>
> With many thanks,
>
> /Ian
>
> Frank Kloeker wrote on 8/7/2018 4:49 PM:
>> Many thanks, Jimmy! At last I draw your attention to Stackalytics. 
>> Translation metrics for whitepapers not counted there. Maybe you have 
>> an advice for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/588965/
>>
>> kind regards
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Am 2018-08-06 21:07, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>> A heads up that the Translators are now listed at the bottom of the
>>> page as well, along with the rest of the paper contributors:
>>>
>>> https://www.openstack.org/edge-computing/cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-data-center?lang=ja_JP 
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Jimmy
>>>
>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>
>>>> thanks for announcement. Great stuff! It looks really great and 
>>>> it's easy to navigate. I think a special thanks goes to Sebastian 
>>>> for designing the pages. One small remark: have you tried 
>>>> text-align: justify? I think it would be a little bit more 
>>>> readable, like a science paper (German word is: Ordnung)
>>>> I put the projects again on the frontpage of the translation 
>>>> platform, so we'll get more translations shortly.
>>>>
>>>> kind regards
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>> Am 2018-08-02 21:07, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>> The Edge and Containers translations are now live.  As new
>>>>> translations become available, we will add them to the page.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.openstack.org/containers/
>>>>> https://www.openstack.org/edge-computing/
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that the Chinese translation has not been added to Zanata at 
>>>>> this
>>>>> time, so I've left the PDF download up on that page.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks everyone and please let me know if you have questions or 
>>>>> concerns!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>
>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>>>>> Frank,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We expect to have these papers up this afternoon. I'll update 
>>>>>> this thread when we do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Sebastian,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> okay, it's translated now. In Edge whitepaper is the problem 
>>>>>>> with XML-Parsing of the term AT&T. Don't know how to escape 
>>>>>>> this. Maybe you will see the warning during import too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> kind regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 2018-07-30 20:09, schrieb Sebastian Marcet:
>>>>>>>> Hi Frank,
>>>>>>>> i was double checking pot file and realized that original pot 
>>>>>>>> missed
>>>>>>>> some parts of the original paper (subsections of the paper) 
>>>>>>>> apologizes
>>>>>>>> on that
>>>>>>>> i just re uploaded an updated pot file with missing subsections
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Frank Kloeker <eumel at arcor.de> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> from the GUI I'll get this link:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/edge-computing/pot-translation/de/po?docId=cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-data-center 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> paper version  are only in container whitepaper:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/leveraging-containers-openstack/paper/de/po?docId=leveraging-containers-and-openstack 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In general there is no group named papers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> kind regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 2018-07-30 17:06, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>>>>>> Frank,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We're getting a 404 when looking for the pot file on the 
>>>>>>>>> Zanata API:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/papers/papers/de/po?docId=edge-computing 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As a result, we can't pull the po files.  Any idea what might be
>>>>>>>>> happening?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Seeing the same thing with both papers...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Korean and German version are now done on the new format. Can you
>>>>>>>>> check publishing?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 2018-07-19 16:47, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Follow up on the Edge paper specifically:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/pot-translation/documents?dswid=-3192 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [4] This is now available. As I mentioned on IRC this morning, it
>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>> be VERY close to the PDF.  Probably just needs a quick review.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me know if I can assist with anything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you to i18n team for all of your help!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ian raises some great points :) I'll try to address below...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ian Y. Choi wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I saw overall translation source strings on container
>>>>>>>>> whitepaper, I would infer that new edge computing whitepaper
>>>>>>>>> source strings would include HTML markup tags.
>>>>>>>>> One of the things I discussed with Ian and Frank in Vancouver is
>>>>>>>>> the expense of recreating PDFs with new translations.  It's
>>>>>>>>> prohibitively expensive for the Foundation as it requires design
>>>>>>>>> resources which we just don't have.  As a result, we created the
>>>>>>>>> Containers whitepaper in HTML, so that it could be easily updated
>>>>>>>>> w/o working with outside design contractors.  I indicated that we
>>>>>>>>> would also be moving the Edge paper to HTML so that we could 
>>>>>>>>> prevent
>>>>>>>>> that additional design resource cost.
>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, the source strings of edge computing 
>>>>>>>>> whitepaper
>>>>>>>>> which I18n team previously translated do not include HTML markup
>>>>>>>>> tags, since the source strings are based on just text format.
>>>>>>>>> The version that Akihiro put together was based on the Edge PDF,
>>>>>>>>> which we unfortunately didn't have the resources to implement 
>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>> same format.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I really appreciate Akihiro's work on RST-based support on
>>>>>>>>> publishing translated edge computing whitepapers, since
>>>>>>>>> translators do not have to re-translate all the strings.
>>>>>>>>> I would like to second this. It took a lot of initiative to 
>>>>>>>>> work on
>>>>>>>>> the RST-based translation.  At the moment, it's just not 
>>>>>>>>> usable for
>>>>>>>>> the reasons mentioned above.
>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, it seems that I18n team needs to 
>>>>>>>>> investigate on
>>>>>>>>> translating similar strings of HTML-based edge computing 
>>>>>>>>> whitepaper
>>>>>>>>> source strings, which would discourage translators.
>>>>>>>>> Can you expand on this? I'm not entirely clear on why the HTML
>>>>>>>>> based translation is more difficult.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's my point of view on translating edge computing whitepaper.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For translating container whitepaper, I want to further ask the
>>>>>>>>> followings since *I18n-based tools*
>>>>>>>>> would mean for translators that translators can test and publish
>>>>>>>>> translated whitepapers locally:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - How to build translated container whitepaper using original
>>>>>>>>> Silverstripe-based repository?
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/tools.html [5] describes
>>>>>>>>> well how to build translated artifacts for RST-based OpenStack
>>>>>>>>> repositories
>>>>>>>>> but I could not find the way how to build translated container
>>>>>>>>> whitepaper with translated resources on Zanata.
>>>>>>>>> This is a little tricky.  It's possible to set up a local version
>>>>>>>>> of the OpenStack website
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (https://github.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org/blob/master/installation.md 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [6]).  However, we have to manually ingest the po files as 
>>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>> completed and then push them out to production, so that 
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't do
>>>>>>>>> much to help with your local build.  I'm open to suggestions 
>>>>>>>>> on how
>>>>>>>>> we can make this process easier for the i18n team.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With many thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /Ian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote on 7/17/2018 11:01 PM:
>>>>>>>>> Frank,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry to hear about the displeasure around the Edge 
>>>>>>>>> paper.  As
>>>>>>>>> mentioned in a prior thread, the RST format that Akihiro 
>>>>>>>>> worked did
>>>>>>>>> not work with the  Zanata process that we have been using with 
>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>> CMS.  Additionally, the existing EDGE page is a PDF, so we had to
>>>>>>>>> build a new template to work with the new HTML whitepaper 
>>>>>>>>> layout we
>>>>>>>>> created for the Containers paper. I outlined this in the thread "
>>>>>>>>> [OpenStack-I18n] [Edge-computing] [Openstack-sigs] Edge Computing
>>>>>>>>> Whitepaper Translation" on 6/25/18 and mentioned we would be 
>>>>>>>>> ready
>>>>>>>>> with the template around 7/13.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We completed the work on the new whitepaper template and then put
>>>>>>>>> out the pot files on Zanata so we can get the po language files
>>>>>>>>> back. If this process is too cumbersome for the translation team,
>>>>>>>>> I'm open to discussion, but right now our entire translation 
>>>>>>>>> process
>>>>>>>>> is based on the official OpenStack Docs translation process 
>>>>>>>>> outlined
>>>>>>>>> by the i18n team:
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/en_GB/tools.html [7]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Again, I realize Akihiro put in some work on his own proposing 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> new translation type. If the i18n team is moving to this format
>>>>>>>>> instead, we can work on redoing our process.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please let me know if I can clarify further.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> permission was added for you and Sebastian. The Container 
>>>>>>>>> Whitepaper
>>>>>>>>> is on the Zanata frontpage now. But we removed Edge Computing
>>>>>>>>> whitepaper last week because there is a kind of displeasure in 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> team since the results of translation are still not published 
>>>>>>>>> beside
>>>>>>>>> Chinese version. It would be nice if we have a commitment from 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Foundation that results are published in a specific timeframe. 
>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>> includes your requirements until the translation should be
>>>>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thx Frank
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 2018-07-16 17:26, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I should have also added... we additionally need 
>>>>>>>>> permissions
>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>> that we can add the a new version of the pot file to this 
>>>>>>>>> project:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/edge-computing/versions?dswid=-7835 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [8] Thanks!
>>>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have both of the current whitepapers up and available for
>>>>>>>>> translation.  Can we promote these on the Zanata homepage?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/leveraging-containers-openstack?dswid=5684 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [9]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/master/documents?dswid=5684 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [10] Thanks all!
>>>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Links:
>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/edge-computing/pot-translation/de/po?docId=cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-data-center 
>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/leveraging-containers-openstack/paper/de/po?docId=leveraging-containers-and-openstack 
>>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/papers/papers/de/po?docId=edge-computing 
>>>>>>>> [4]
>>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/pot-translation/documents?dswid=-3192 
>>>>>>>> [5] https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/tools.html
>>>>>>>> [6] 
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org/blob/master/installation.md 
>>>>>>>> [7] https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/en_GB/tools.html
>>>>>>>> [8]
>>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/edge-computing/versions?dswid=-7835 
>>>>>>>> [9]
>>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/leveraging-containers-openstack?dswid=5684 
>>>>>>>> [10]
>>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/master/documents?dswid=5684 
>>>>>>>> [11] 
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