[openstack-dev] [all] [tc] "No Open Core" in 2016

Anne Gentle annegentle at justwriteclick.com
Wed Feb 17 18:28:42 UTC 2016

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Jay Pipes <jaypipes at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 02/17/2016 09:30 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>> Excerpts from Mike Perez's message of 2016-02-17 03:21:51 -0800:
>>> On 02/16/2016 11:30 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>>>> So I think the project team is doing everything we've asked.  We
>>>> changed our policies around new projects to emphasize the social
>>>> aspects of projects, and community interactions. Telling a bunch
>>>> of folks that they "are not OpenStack" even though they follow those
>>>> policies is rather distressing.  I think we should be looking for
>>>> ways to say "yes" to new projects, rather than "no."
>>> My disagreements with accepting Poppy has been around testing, so let me
>>> reiterate what I've already said in this thread.
>>> The governance currently states that under Open Development "The project
>>> has core reviewers and adopts a test-driven gate in the OpenStack
>>> infrastructure for changes" [1].
>>> If we don't have a solution like OpenCDN, Poppy has to adopt a reference
>>> implementation that is a commercial entity, and infra has to also be
>>> dependent on it. I get Infra is already dependent on public cloud
>>> donations, but if we start opening the door to allow projects to bring
>>> in those commercial dependencies, that's not good.
>> Only Poppy's test suite would rely on that, though, right? And other
>> projects can choose whether to co-gate with Poppy or not. So I don't see
>> how this limitation has an effect on anyone other than the Poppy team.
> But what would really be tested in Poppy without any commercial CDN
> vendor? Nothing functional, right? I believe the fact that Poppy cannot be
> functionally tested in the OpenStack CI gate basically disqualifies it from
> being "in OpenStack".

I do want end-users to have CDN, I do. And I'm a pragmatist as well so the
"open core" arguments aren't as important to me.

That said, for me, since poppy itself doesn't offer/run/maintain the
service but instead simply offers an API on top of CDN provider's APIs, I
don't think it's necessary to govern it in OpenStack.


> Best,
> -jay
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Anne Gentle
Principal Engineer
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