<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Jay Pipes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jaypipes@gmail.com" target="_blank">jaypipes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On 02/17/2016 09:30 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:<br>
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Excerpts from Mike Perez's message of 2016-02-17 03:21:51 -0800:<br>
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On 02/16/2016 11:30 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:<br>
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So I think the project team is doing everything we've asked. We<br>
changed our policies around new projects to emphasize the social<br>
aspects of projects, and community interactions. Telling a bunch<br>
of folks that they "are not OpenStack" even though they follow those<br>
policies is rather distressing. I think we should be looking for<br>
ways to say "yes" to new projects, rather than "no."<br>
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My disagreements with accepting Poppy has been around testing, so let me<br>
reiterate what I've already said in this thread.<br>
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The governance currently states that under Open Development "The project<br>
has core reviewers and adopts a test-driven gate in the OpenStack<br>
infrastructure for changes" [1].<br>
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If we don't have a solution like OpenCDN, Poppy has to adopt a reference<br>
implementation that is a commercial entity, and infra has to also be<br>
dependent on it. I get Infra is already dependent on public cloud<br>
donations, but if we start opening the door to allow projects to bring<br>
in those commercial dependencies, that's not good.<br>
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Only Poppy's test suite would rely on that, though, right? And other<br>
projects can choose whether to co-gate with Poppy or not. So I don't see<br>
how this limitation has an effect on anyone other than the Poppy team.<br>
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But what would really be tested in Poppy without any commercial CDN vendor? Nothing functional, right? I believe the fact that Poppy cannot be functionally tested in the OpenStack CI gate basically disqualifies it from being "in OpenStack".<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do want end-users to have CDN, I do. And I'm a pragmatist as well so the "open core" arguments aren't as important to me. </div><div><br></div><div>That said, for me, since poppy itself doesn't offer/run/maintain the service but instead simply offers an API on top of CDN provider's APIs, I don't think it's necessary to govern it in OpenStack.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Anne</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Best,<br>
-jay<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Anne Gentle</div><div>Rackspace</div><div>Principal Engineer</div><div><a href="http://www.justwriteclick.com" target="_blank">www.justwriteclick.com</a></div></div></div>
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