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Cool, thanks Ton!

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Ton Ngo <ton at us.ibm.com> wrote:

> The slides for the Tokyo talk is available on slideshare:
>
> http://www.slideshare.net/huengo965921/exploring-magnum-and-senlin-integration-for-autoscaling-containers
>
> Ton,
>
>
> [image: Inactive hide details for Jay Lau ---11/17/2015 10:05:27 PM---It's
> great that we discuss this in mail list, I filed a bp here h]Jay Lau
> ---11/17/2015 10:05:27 PM---It's great that we discuss this in mail list, I
> filed a bp here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mag
>
> From: Jay Lau <jay.lau.513 at gmail.com>
> To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <
> openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org>
> Date: 11/17/2015 10:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [magnum] Autoscaling both clusters and
> containers
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> It's great that we discuss this in mail list, I filed a bp here
> *https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/two-level-auto-scaling*
> <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/two-level-auto-scaling>
> and planning a spec for this. You can get some early ideas from what Ton
> pointed here:
> *https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/videos/presentation/exploring-magnum-and-senlin-integration-for-autoscaling-containers*
> <https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/videos/presentation/exploring-magnum-and-senlin-integration-for-autoscaling-containers>
>
> *@Ton*, is it possible that we publish the slides to slideshare? ;-)
>
> Our thinking was introduce an autoscaler service to Magnum just like what
> GCE is doing now, will have you updated when a spec is ready for review.
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Egor Guz <*EGuz at walmartlabs.com*
> <EGuz at walmartlabs.com>> wrote:
>
>    Ryan
>
>    I haven’t seen any proposals/implementations from Mesos/Swarm (but  I
>    am not following Mesos and Swam community very close these days).
>    But Kubernetes 1.1 has pod autoscaling (
>    *https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/blob/master/docs/design/horizontal-pod-autoscaler.md*
>    <https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/blob/master/docs/design/horizontal-pod-autoscaler.md>
>    ),
>    which should cover containers auto-scaling. Also there is PR for
>    cluster auto-scaling (
>    *https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/pull/15304*
>    <https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/pull/15304>), which
>    has implementation for GCE, but OpenStack support can be added as well.
>
>    —
>    Egor
>
>    From: Ton Ngo <*ton at us.ibm.com* <ton at us.ibm.com><mailto:
>    *ton at us.ibm.com* <ton at us.ibm.com>>>
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>    Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 16:58
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>    Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [magnum] Autoscaling both clusters and
>    containers
>
>
>    Hi Ryan,
>    There was a talk in the last Summit on this topics to explore the
>    options with Magnum, Senlin, Heat, Kubernetes:
>
>    *https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/videos/presentation/exploring-magnum-and-senlin-integration-for-autoscaling-containers*
>    <https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/videos/presentation/exploring-magnum-and-senlin-integration-for-autoscaling-containers>
>    A demo was shown with Senlin interfacing to Magnum to autoscale.
>    There was also a Magnum design session to discuss this same topics.
>    The use cases are similar to what you describe. Because the subject is
>    complex, there are many moving parts, and multiple teams/projects are
>    involved, one outcome of the design session is that we will write a spec on
>    autoscaling containers and cluster. A patch should be coming soon, so it
>    would be great to have your input on the spec.
>    Ton,
>
>    [Inactive hide details for Ryan Rossiter ---11/17/2015 02:05:48
>    PM---Hi all, I was having a discussion with a teammate with resp]Ryan
>    Rossiter ---11/17/2015 02:05:48 PM---Hi all, I was having a discussion with
>    a teammate with respect to container
>
>    From: Ryan Rossiter <*rlrossit at linux.vnet.ibm.com*
>    <rlrossit at linux.vnet.ibm.com><mailto:*rlrossit at linux.vnet.ibm.com*
>    <rlrossit at linux.vnet.ibm.com>>>
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>    Date: 11/17/2015 02:05 PM
>    Subject: [openstack-dev] [magnum] Autoscaling both clusters and
>    containers
>
>    ________________________________
>
>
>
>    Hi all,
>
>    I was having a discussion with a teammate with respect to container
>    scaling. He likes the aspect of nova-docker that allows you to scale
>    (essentially) infinitely almost instantly, assuming you are using a
>    large pool of compute hosts. In the case of Magnum, if I'm a container
>    user, I don't want to be paying for a ton of vms that just sit idle,
>    but
>    I also want to have enough vms to handle my scale when I infrequently
>    need it. But above all, when I need scale, I don't want to suddenly
>    have
>    to go boot vms and wait for them to start up when I really need it.
>
>    I saw [1] which discusses container scaling, but I'm thinking we can
>    take this one step further. If I don't want to pay for a lot of vms
>    when
>    I'm not using them, could I set up an autoscale policy that allows my
>    cluster to expand when my container concentration gets too high on my
>    existing cluster? It's kind of a case of nested autoscaling. The
>    containers are scaled based on request demand, and the cluster vms are
>    scaled based on container count.
>
>    I'm unsure of the details of Senlin, but at least looking at Heat
>    autoscaling [2], this would not be very hard to add to the Magnum
>    templates, and we would forward those on through the bay API. (I figure
>    we would do this through the bay, not baymodel, because I can see
>    similar clusters that would want to be scaled differently).
>
>    Let me know if I'm totally crazy or if this is a good idea (or if you
>    guys have already talked about this before). I would be interested in
>    your feedback.
>
>    [1]
>
>    *http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078628.html*
>    <http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078628.html>
>    [2] *https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/AutoScaling#AutoScaling_API*
>    <https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/AutoScaling#AutoScaling_API>
>
>    --
>    Thanks,
>
>    Ryan Rossiter (rlrossit)
>
>
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