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On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Eoghan Glynn <eglynn at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Based on the discussion I'd like to propose these options:
>> 1. Cinder-certified driver - This is an attempt to move the "certification"
>> to the project level.
>> 2. CI-tested driver - This is probably the most accurate, at least for what
>> we're trying to achieve for Juno: Continuous Integration of Vendor-specific
>> Drivers.
>
> Hi Ramy,
>
> Thanks for these constructive suggestions.
>
> The second option is certainly a very direct and specific reflection of
> what is actually involved in getting the Cinder project's imprimatur.

I do like "tested."

I'd like to understand what the foundation is planning for
"certification" as well, to know how big of an issue this really is.
Even if they aren't going to certify drivers, I have heard discussions
around training and possibly other areas so I would hate for us to
introduce confusion by having different uses of that term in similar
contexts. Mark, do you know who is working on that within the board or
foundation?

Doug

>
> The first option is also a bit clearer, in the sense of the scope of the
> certification.
>
> Cheers,
> Eoghan
>
>> Ramy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Duncan Thomas [mailto:duncan.thomas at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 4:50 AM
>> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified
>>
>> On 6 June 2014 18:29, Anita Kuno <anteaya at anteaya.info> wrote:
>> > So there are certain words that mean certain things, most don't, some do.
>> >
>> > If words that mean certain things are used then some folks start using
>> > the word and have expectations around the word and the OpenStack
>> > Technical Committee and other OpenStack programs find themselves on
>> > the hook for behaviours that they didn't agree to.
>> >
>> > Currently the word under discussion is "certified" and its derivatives:
>> > certification, certifying, and others with root word "certificate".
>> >
>> > This came to my attention at the summit with a cinder summit session
>> > with the one of the cerficiate words in the title. I had thought my
>> > point had been made but it appears that there needs to be more
>> > discussion on this. So let's discuss.
>> >
>> > Let's start with the definition of certify:
>> > cer·ti·fy
>> > verb (used with object), cer·ti·fied, cer·ti·fy·ing.
>> > 1. to attest as certain; give reliable information of; confirm: He
>> > certified the truth of his claim.
>>
>> So the cinder team are attesting that a set of tests have been run against a
>> driver: a certified driver.
>>
>> > 3. to guarantee; endorse reliably: to certify a document with an
>> > official seal.
>>
>> We (the cinder) team) are guaranteeing that the driver has been tested, in at
>> least one configuration, and found to pass all of the tempest tests. This is
>> a far better state than we were at 6 months ago, where many drivers didn't
>> even pass a smoke test.
>>
>> > 5. to award a certificate to (a person) attesting to the completion of
>> > a course of study or the passing of a qualifying examination.
>>
>> The cinder cert process is pretty much an exam.
>>
>>
>> I think the work certification covers exactly what we are doing. Give
>> cinder-core are the people on the hook for any cinder problems (including
>> vendor specific ones), and the cinder core are the people who get
>> bad-mouthed when there are problems (including vendor specific ones), I
>> think this level of certification gives us value.
>>
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