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Indeed, this is pretty much what we are going to do about Gantt.  Nobody has said don’t do it, all of the objections have been around how & when to do the split.  We will revisit in Kilo (hopefully early in the cycle) and try again.

Note there is still the issue of Nova BP review process that I think needs to be tweaked but that is separate from the issue of how do we get Gantt going.

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Don Dugger
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From: Joe Gordon [mailto:joe.gordon0 at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?


On Aug 29, 2014 10:42 AM, "Dugger, Donald D" <donald.d.dugger at intel.com<mailto:donald.d.dugger at intel.com>> wrote:
>
> Well, I think that there is a sign of a broken (or at least bent) process and that's what I'm trying to expose.  Especially given the ongoing conversations over Gantt it seems wrong that ultimately it was rejected due to silence.  Maybe rejecting the BP was the right decision but the way the decision was made was just wrong.
>
> Note that dealing with silence is `really` difficult.  You point out that maybe silence means people don't agree with the BP but how do I know?  Maybe it means no one has time, maybe no one has an opinion, maybe it got lost in the shuffle, maybe I'm being too obnoxious - who knows.  A simple -1 with a one sentence explanation would helped a lot.

How is this:

-1, we already have too many approved blueprints in Juno and it sounds like there are still concerns about the Gantt split in general. Hopefully after trunk is open for Kilo we can revisit the Gantt idea. I'm thinking yet another ML thread outlining why and how to get there.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypipes at gmail.com<mailto:jaypipes at gmail.com>]
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:43 AM
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> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?
>
> On 08/29/2014 12:25 PM, Zane Bitter wrote:
> > On 28/08/14 17:02, Jay Pipes wrote:
> >> I understand your frustration about the silence, but the silence from
> >> core team members may actually be a loud statement about where their
> >> priorities are.
> >
> > I don't know enough about the Nova review situation to say if the
> > process is broken or not. But I can say that if passive-aggressively
> > ignoring people is considered a primary communication channel,
> > something is definitely broken.
>
> Nobody is ignoring anyone. There have ongoing conversations about the scheduler and Gantt, and those conversations haven't resulted in all the decisions that Don would like. That is unfortunate, but it's not a sign of a broken process.
>
> -jay
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