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Tks YunQiang and Chuck!

I see why Ubuntu packages doesn't have automation... I'm using it here with
Chef and the Cookbooks does everything on its side...

No flame war Jay... lol

Best!
Thiago


On 21 November 2013 18:32, Jay Pipes <jaypipes at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11/21/2013 10:15 AM, YunQiang Su wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Chuck Short <chuck.short at canonical.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ <
>>> thiagocmartinsc at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Guys,
>>>>
>>>> I'm a "Ubuntu evangelist", my entire family uses Ubuntu!
>>>>
>>>> But, I trying to understand one thing:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1- Why OpenStack packages for Ubuntu is very "manual intensive", while
>>>> on
>>>> Debian it is fully automated (with dbconfig-common / better packaging)?
>>>> Why?!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is no automation for Ubuntu but, OpenStack on Debian is fully
>>>> automated... The keystone users and endpoints managed automatically by
>>>> Debian (db syncs, mysql, etc), but not by Ubuntu...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The packages do enough to get the services running.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Is there any special reason to not automate Ubuntu OpenStack packages,
>>>> just like Debian does?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The goal of the Ubuntu OpenStack packages to make it easily deploy in
>>> large
>>> environments either using juju (preferred option ;),  puppet, or chef. In
>>> order to do this we keep the packaging simple and let the service
>>> deployment/configuration management tool to do the setup of OpenStack
>>> based
>>> on their environment.
>>>
>>> That being said we think that keystone users and endpoints should not be
>>> managed by debconf since most users who deploy at a large scale will not
>>> use
>>> them in their deployments.
>>>
>> This is from Debian Guys:
>> https://wiki.debian.org/OpenStackHowto/Folsom#Why_
>> choosing_Debian_and_not_Ubuntu_to_run_Openstack.3F
>>
>
> There be dragons here.
>
> I suggest we drop the conversation, as it won't get better from this point
> :)
>
> -jay
>
>
>
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