Open Stack

On 11/21/2013 10:15 AM, YunQiang Su wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Chuck Short <chuck.short at canonical.com> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ <thiagocmartinsc at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> I'm a "Ubuntu evangelist", my entire family uses Ubuntu!
>>>
>>> But, I trying to understand one thing:
>>>
>>>
>>> 1- Why OpenStack packages for Ubuntu is very "manual intensive", while on
>>> Debian it is fully automated (with dbconfig-common / better packaging)?
>>> Why?!
>>>
>>>
>>> There is no automation for Ubuntu but, OpenStack on Debian is fully
>>> automated... The keystone users and endpoints managed automatically by
>>> Debian (db syncs, mysql, etc), but not by Ubuntu...
>>
>>
>> The packages do enough to get the services running.
>>
>>>
>>> Is there any special reason to not automate Ubuntu OpenStack packages,
>>> just like Debian does?
>>
>>
>> The goal of the Ubuntu OpenStack packages to make it easily deploy in large
>> environments either using juju (preferred option ;),  puppet, or chef. In
>> order to do this we keep the packaging simple and let the service
>> deployment/configuration management tool to do the setup of OpenStack based
>> on their environment.
>>
>> That being said we think that keystone users and endpoints should not be
>> managed by debconf since most users who deploy at a large scale will not use
>> them in their deployments.
> This is from Debian Guys:
> https://wiki.debian.org/OpenStackHowto/Folsom#Why_choosing_Debian_and_not_Ubuntu_to_run_Openstack.3F

There be dragons here.

I suggest we drop the conversation, as it won't get better from this 
point :)

-jay