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So not that I don't think this is a worth while thing, because I think
it is. But instead of jumping to the solution of a User Day, it might be
useful to figure out what's attempting to be solved.

Is it?

1) get Users together to share best practices among themselves? Because
lots of people have learned things, and want to bootstrap others.

2) get Users and Operators together to share best practices among
themselves? Because ...

3) get Vendors and Users and Operators together? Because ...

4) get Developers and Users and Operators together? Because ....

I think if you start with defining the Because ... part, then the needed
parties, then the odds of this being successful and useful to folks goes
way up. It also would give people attending a reasonable expectation of
what they are going to get out of it.

Because it would be a shame to set up #1, if most people thought they
were getting #4 (which is basically what Lorin was proposing with his
adopt a developer idea), then people being disappointed that they didn't
get what they thought they were getting.

The design summit works pretty well for the development community
because of how narrowly it is scoped. So a critical mass in each of
those rooms knows when it's getting off track and how to pull it back to
something actionable at the end.

	-Sean

On 12/13/2013 06:05 AM, Tristan Goode wrote:
> I guess what I'm trying to say by "Users and Operators" covers carriers
> and telcos. By User I mean folks that consume OpenStack resources and by
> Operator I mean folks that supply OpenStack resources. Maybe all can be
> called Users but whatever one calls it, what I mean basically is
> Non-Developers actually working on and with OpenStack. :)
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> Cheers
> 
> Tristan
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> *From:*Kyle MacDonald [mailto:kyle.macdonald at gmail.com
> <mailto:kyle.macdonald at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 December 2013 7:02 PM
> *To:* Tristan Goode
> *Cc:* openstack at lists.openstack.org <mailto:openstack at lists.openstack.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Openstack] Bringing focus to the Operators and Users at
> the next summit
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> Tristan
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> I like this idea and agree it should be a priority. I do suggest the
> focus area be expanded (or a second focus day) to accommodate carriers
> and telcos and their operations needs (they are real operators).
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> There is a ton of work being done by the leading telco's around NFV and
> SDN (many in emerging use cases) using OpenStack. I can very easily see
> "operations" being a killer issue and something that should be more
> broadly addressed. Last summit the forum for that track of discussions
> was by a vendor - next summit this area should be made more neutral and
> inclusive.
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> Kyle 
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> On Dec 11, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Tristan Goode <tristan at aptira.com
> <mailto:tristan at aptira.com>> wrote:
> 
>     G'day OpenStackLand,
> 
>      
> 
>     I have an idea for the next summit to put forward...
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>     Like we have the various project design summit session days at the
>     summits, I think it'd be really useful to have an Operators and
>     Users day at the very start of the next summit (and hopefully all of
>     them in future if it works out). So far at the last 4 summits I've
>     attended, from the users and operators point of view we've had a rag
>     tag bunch of disconnected panels and 40 minute sessions that really
>     don't get anywhere much and don’t make it to any sort of plan or
>     worthwhile result. This proposed "Operators and Users" day will be
>     run like the design summit session days where all of us that have to
>     deal with the consequences of the software development of this
>     project sit in a room and work the issues. The goal is to present
>     real world, evidence based Operator, User, and even other input like
>     Sales and Marketing experiences back into the development teams.
>     Maybe we might even have our own "Operators and Users" lounge too. :-P
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>     Cheers
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>     Tristan
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