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Hi Adam

On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 at 16:42 Adam Spiers <aspiers at suse.com> wrote:

> []
> TL;DR response: reboot, absolutely no question!  My full response is
> below.
>

Ack


> >Since Vancouver, two of the original SIG chairs have stepped down leaving
> >me in the hot seat with minimal participation from either deployment
> >projects or operators in the IRC meetings.  In addition I've only been
> able
> >to make every 3rd IRC meeting, so they have generally not being happening.
>
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> As a SIG leader in a similar position (albeit with one other very
> helpful person on board), let me throw my £0.02 in ...
>
> With both upgrades and self-healing I think there is a big disparity
> between supply (developers with time to work on the functionality) and
> demand (operators who need the functionality).  And perhaps also the
> high demand leads to a lot of developers being interested in the topic
> whilst not having much spare time to help out.  That is probably why
> we both see high attendance at the summit / PTG events but relatively
> little activity in between.
>
> I also freely admit that the inevitable conflicts with downstream
> requirements mean that I have struggled to find time to be as
> proactive with driving momentum as I had wanted, although I'm hoping
> to pick this up again over the next weeks leading up to the PTG.  It
> sounds like maybe you have encountered similar challenges.
>

Indeed I have but such is life!


> That said, I strongly believe that both of these SIGs offer a *lot* of
> value, and even if we aren't yet seeing the level of online activity
> that we would like, I think it's really important that they both
> continue.  If for no other reasons, the offline sessions at the
> summits and PTGs are hugely useful for helping converge the community
> on common approaches, and the associated repositories / wikis serve as
> a great focal point too.
>
> Regarding online collaboration, yes, building momentum for IRC
> meetings is tough, especially with the timezone challenges.  Maybe a
> monthly cadence is a reasonable starting point, or twice a month in
> alternating timezones - but maybe with both meetings within ~24 hours
> of each other, to reduce accidental creation of geographic silos.
>

I like that idea - doing the two meetings on the same day would make alot
of sense and would fragment time less for participants.

Another possibility would be to offer "open clinic" office hours, like
> the TC and other projects have done.  If the TC or anyone else has
> established best practices in this space, it'd be great to hear them.


> Either way, I sincerely hope that you decide to continue with the SIG,
> and that other people step up to help out.  These things don't develop
> overnight but it is a tremendously worthwhile initiative; after all,
> everyone needs to upgrade OpenStack.  Keep the faith! ;-)
>

I think the upcoming PTG is a good opportunity to hit reboot, plan some
suitable IRC meeting slots and for other contributors to step up.

I'll put together an agenda for the 1/2 day we have planned for the Upgrade
SIG on the Monday afternoon (Ballroom C) - will appear here:

  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upgrade-sig-ptg-stein

All - If you intend on attending the Upgrades sessions, please put your
details down on the pad - I'll be chasing for representatives from other
deployment projects next week!

Cheers

James
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