Open Stack

One other question and then I’ll stop…

Should we remove the OpenStack personas email list and create a general UX
email list?

Piet


Piet Kruithof
Sr UX Architect, HP Helion Cloud
PTL, OpenStack UX project


"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat and
wrong.”

H L Menken





On 8/27/15, 9:27 AM, "Kruithof, Piet" <pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com> wrote:

>Apologies - the question was intended for Aminah.
>
>MustŠgetŠcoffee...
>
>
>Piet Kruithof
>Sr UX Architect, HP Helion Cloud
>PTL, OpenStack UX project
>
>
>"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat and
>wrong.²
>
>H L Menken
>
>
>
>
>
>On 8/27/15, 9:23 AM, "Kruithof, Piet" <pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com> wrote:
>
>>BTW.  Hayat (Intel Open Source UX) is interested in conducting a series
>>of interviews to understand the installation experience for OpenStack.
>>Where you or someone in your organization interested in participating?  I
>>imagine the interview would last no more than an hour.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Piet
>>
>>
>>Piet Kruithof
>>Sr UX Architect, HP Helion Cloud
>>PTL, OpenStack UX project
>>
>>"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat and
>>wrong.²
>>
>>H L Menken
>>
>>
>>From: "Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com<mailto:Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com>"
>><Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com<mailto:Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com>>
>>Date: Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 9:19 AM
>>To: "julim at redhat.com<mailto:julim at redhat.com>"
>><julim at redhat.com<mailto:julim at redhat.com>>, Piet Kruithof
>><pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>
>>Cc: "itzshamail at gmail.com<mailto:itzshamail at gmail.com>"
>><itzshamail at gmail.com<mailto:itzshamail at gmail.com>>,
>>"lsurette at redhat.com<mailto:lsurette at redhat.com>"
>><lsurette at redhat.com<mailto:lsurette at redhat.com>>,
>>"lih at us.ibm.com<mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>"
>><lih at us.ibm.com<mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>>,
>>"gregh at us.ibm.com<mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>"
>><gregh at us.ibm.com<mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>>,
>>"hayat.benchenaa at intel.com<mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com>"
>><hayat.benchenaa at intel.com<mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com>>,
>>"jacalcat at us.ibm.com<mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com>"
>><jacalcat at us.ibm.com<mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com>>,
>>"sdoyle at redhat.com<mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com>"
>><sdoyle at redhat.com<mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com>>,
>>"openstack-personas at lists.openstack.org<mailto:openstack-personas at lists.o
>>p
>>enstack.org>" 
>><openstack-personas at lists.openstack.org<mailto:openstack-personas at lists.o
>>p
>>enstack.org>>
>>Subject: RE: Persona meeting in Austin
>>
>>Thanks, yes, please include me.  MUCH appreciated!
>>
>>Aminah Nailor
>>Phone 404.973.7729
>>Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com<mailto:Aminah.Nailor at wellsfargo.com>
>>
>>From: Ju Lim [mailto:julim at redhat.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:14 AM
>>To: Kruithof, Piet
>>Cc: Shamail Tahir; Liz Blanchard; Stan Haozhe Li; Greg Hintermeister;
>>Benchenaa, Hayat; Jeffrey A Calcaterra; Serena Doyle;
>>openstack-personas at lists.openstack.org<mailto:openstack-personas at lists.op
>>e
>>nstack.org>; Nailor, Aminah
>>Subject: Re: Persona meeting in Austin
>>
>>Including Aminah Nailor as she has expressed interest in helping in this
>>effort as well as the OpenStack Personas mailing list so that others are
>>aware of this effort and can chime in if they wish to contribute.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ju
>>
>>On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Kruithof, Piet
>><pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>> wrote:
>>Hiya,
>>
>>My manager still needs to review (scrub) the HP cloud roles document.
>>However, I did want to point yo at some additional resources:
>>
>>Personas developed by the UX working group (in progress, draft):
>>https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Personas
>>https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PersonaPotentialRoles
>>
>>One of the approaches was to organize the personas as ecosystems that
>>shape user roles and goals.  This was driven by one of the findings that
>>attitudes about OpenStack vary significantly based on the type of
>>business.
>>https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Personas
>>
>>Data collected from the persona interviews about a year ago:
>>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CslXeXMUDNv1DsBEVSZWJbGmPnejJW-Pz
>>k
>>IWege5-ZA/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>A couple of other things.  We could potentially decide that there is
>>enough data and its just a matter of refining and creating a presentation
>>around the personas.  If that¹s the case, we could consider pivoting and
>>using the time in Austin as a strategy session for community UX work.
>>
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Piet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Piet Kruithof
>>Sr UX Architect, HP Helion Cloud
>>PTL, OpenStack UX project
>>
>>"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat and
>>wrong.²
>>
>>H L Menken
>>
>>
>>From: Shamail Tahir
>><itzshamail at gmail.com<mailto:itzshamail at gmail.com><mailto:itzshamail at gmai
>>l
>>.com<mailto:itzshamail at gmail.com>>>
>>Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 9:30 PM
>>To: Piet Kruithof
>><pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:p
>>i
>>eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>
>>Cc: Liz Blanchard
>><lsurette at redhat.com<mailto:lsurette at redhat.com><mailto:lsurette at redhat.c
>>o
>>m<mailto:lsurette at redhat.com>>>, Ju Lim
>><julim at redhat.com<mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto:julim at redhat.com<mailto
>>:
>>julim at redhat.com>>>, Stan Haozhe Li
>><lih at us.ibm.com<mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com<mailto:lih at u
>>s
>>.ibm.com>>>, Greg Hintermeister
>><gregh at us.ibm.com<mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com<mailto
>>:
>>gregh at us.ibm.com>>>, "Benchenaa, Hayat"
>><hayat.benchenaa at intel.com<mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com><mailto:hayat
>>.
>>benchenaa at intel.com<mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com>>>, Jeffrey A
>>Calcaterra 
>><jacalcat at us.ibm.com<mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com><mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.c
>>o
>>m<mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com>>>, Serena Doyle
>><sdoyle at redhat.com<mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com><mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com<mai
>>l
>>to:sdoyle at redhat.com>>>
>>Subject: Re: Persona meeting in Austin
>>
>>Hi everyone,
>>
>>Thanks for letting me participate in this working session.  Piet and I
>>met at the operators summit (during the product WG session) and connected
>>on this topic since the Product WG is writing user stories to discuss
>>features/functionality.  As a part of the user story, we have to specify
>>actors/personas and, currently, we have not defined any standardized
>>personas.  I look forward to working with this team and being able to
>>share the work done here with the Product WG team.
>>
>>I will most likely have to attend remotely but I will try my best to be
>>there in person if possible.
>>
>>Here is a sample user story currently in our repository:
>>https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/user-stor
>>i
>>es/draft/rollingupgrades.rst
>>
>>--
>>Thanks,
>>Shamail Tahir
>>t: @ShamailXD
>>tz: Eastern Time
>>
>>On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:50 PM, Kruithof, Piet
>><pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:p
>>i
>>eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>> wrote:
>>As an aside,  I went ahead and scrubbed HP¹s cloud roles document but
>>still need to have my manager review it.  Hopefully by end of week.
>>
>>Piet
>>
>>
>>Piet Kruithof
>>Sr UX Architect, HP Helion Cloud
>>PTL, OpenStack UX project
>>
>>"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat and
>>wrong.²
>>
>>H L Menken
>>
>>
>>From: Liz Blanchard
>><lsurette at redhat.com<mailto:lsurette at redhat.com><mailto:lsurette at redhat.c
>>o
>>m<mailto:lsurette at redhat.com>>>
>>Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 11:06 AM
>>To: Ju Lim 
>><julim at redhat.com<mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto:julim at redhat.com<mailto
>>:
>>julim at redhat.com>>>
>>Cc: Stan Haozhe Li
>><lih at us.ibm.com<mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com<mailto:lih at u
>>s
>>.ibm.com>>>, Greg Hintermeister
>><gregh at us.ibm.com<mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com<mailto
>>:
>>gregh at us.ibm.com>>>, "Benchenaa, Hayat"
>><hayat.benchenaa at intel.com<mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com><mailto:hayat
>>.
>>benchenaa at intel.com<mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com>>>, Jeffrey A
>>Calcaterra 
>><jacalcat at us.ibm.com<mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com><mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.c
>>o
>>m<mailto:jacalcat at us.ibm.com>>>, Piet Kruithof
>><pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:p
>>i
>>eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>, Serena
>>Doyle 
>><sdoyle at redhat.com<mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com><mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com<mai
>>l
>>to:sdoyle at redhat.com>>>
>>Subject: Re: Persona meeting in Austin
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Thanks for including me in the conversation. I won't be able to travel
>>this year so I won't be able to attend this in person unfortunately. I
>>know that F2F is much preferred for these types of activities, so I look
>>forward to hearing how it goes and hope to be able to learn from the work
>>you all do and apply it while designing!
>>
>>Best,
>>Liz
>>
>>On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Ju Lim
>><julim at redhat.com<mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto:julim at redhat.com<mailto
>>:
>>julim at redhat.com>>> wrote:
>>Hi Stan et al:
>>
>>I agree F2F is preferable; however, with the upcoming OpenStack Summit in
>>Tokyo, I'm trying to reduce traveling that month (as it puts a lot of
>>burden on my family).
>>
>>That being said, I'd be happy to participate and collaborate remotely.
>>Additionally, we might be able to get more participation if we provide
>>remote collaboration capabilities -- if we're interested in additional
>>folks joining in this effort.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ju
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Stan Haozhe Li
>><lih at us.ibm.com<mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com<mailto:lih at u
>>s
>>.ibm.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Ju,
>>
>>Face to face collaboration would be ideal as we have collaborative spaces
>>designed for design collaborations.
>>
>>But we can also use tools to facilitate remote collaboration, like
>>Mura.ly for post-it sessions, Ziggy Cameras to project sketches over
>>video streams, etc.
>>
>>-Stan
>>
>>[Inactive hide details for Ju Lim ---08/26/2015 10:34:59 AM---Hi Piet:
>>I'm indifferent about the dates other than it should be w]Ju Lim
>>---08/26/2015 10:34:59 AM---Hi Piet: I'm indifferent about the dates
>>other than it should be way before the
>>
>>From: Ju Lim 
>><julim at redhat.com<mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto:julim at redhat.com<mailto
>>:
>>julim at redhat.com>>>
>>To: "Kruithof, Piet"
>><pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:p
>>i
>>eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>
>>Cc: Stan Haozhe Li/Austin/IBM at IBMUS, Greg
>>Hintermeister/Rochester/IBM at IBMUS, Jeffrey A
>>Calcaterra/Raleigh/IBM at IBMUS, Liz Blanchard
>><lsurette at redhat.com<mailto:lsurette at redhat.com><mailto:lsurette at redhat.c
>>o
>>m<mailto:lsurette at redhat.com>>>, Serena Doyle
>><sdoyle at redhat.com<mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com><mailto:sdoyle at redhat.com<mai
>>l
>>to:sdoyle at redhat.com>>>, "Benchenaa, Hayat"
>><hayat.benchenaa at intel.com<mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com><mailto:hayat
>>.
>>benchenaa at intel.com<mailto:hayat.benchenaa at intel.com>>>
>>Date: 08/26/2015 10:34 AM
>>
>>Subject: Re: Persona meeting in Austin
>>________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi Piet:
>>
>>I'm indifferent about the dates other than it should be way before the
>>Tokyo Summit.  I'm not sure about the travel but can definitely do it
>>remotely via video conferencing like last time.  Any thoughts about
>>remote participation?
>>
>>Thoughts?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ju
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Kruithof, Piet
>><pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:p
>>i
>>eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>Ccing a few folks (who may be attending)
>>
>>Ju, Liz, Jeff, Serena and Hyat,
>>
>>See below.
>>
>>The meeting will be in Austin.  Do you have a preference?  I would like
>>to do Option #3.
>>
>>Piet
>>
>>Piet Kruithof
>>Sr UX Architect, HP Helion Cloud
>>PTL, OpenStack UX project
>>
>>"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat and
>>wrong.²
>>
>>H L Menken
>>
>>
>>From: Stan Haozhe Li
>><lih at us.ibm.com<mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com<mailto:lih at u
>>s
>>.ibm.com>><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com<mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm
>>.
>>com<mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>>>>
>>Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 8:54 AM
>>To: Piet Kruithof
>><pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:p
>>i
>>eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:pie
>>t
>>er.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter
>>.
>>c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>>
>>Cc: Greg Hintermeister
>><gregh at us.ibm.com<mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com<mailto
>>:
>>gregh at us.ibm.com>><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com<mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailt
>>o
>>:gregh at us.ibm.com<mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>>>>
>>Subject: Re: Persona meeting in Austin
>>
>>
>>It's actually 5th and 6th of October instead of 2nd and 3rd.
>>
>>A couple options are:
>>
>>1. Keep the workshop to be 2 days, and stay late during these two days.
>>
>>2. We can schedule the workshop from 4th to 6th, so that we have three
>>days, but this would require people to come on Sunday.
>>
>>3. We can use the collaborative space on 5th and 6th, and use a different
>>space on 7th, but this would require we move all artifacts generated in
>>the workshop late on 6th.
>>
>>-Stan
>>
>>
>>[Inactive hide details for "Kruithof, Piet" ---08/25/2015 08:17:08
>>PM---What do you think?  I¹m kind of torn because we may nee]"Kruithof,
>>Piet" ---08/25/2015 08:17:08 PM---What do you think?  I¹m kind of torn
>>because we may need more than two days to work on the personas.
>>
>>From: "Kruithof, Piet"
>><pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:p
>>i
>>eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:pie
>>t
>>er.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter
>>.
>>c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>>
>>To: Stan Haozhe Li/Austin/IBM at IBMUS
>>Cc: Greg Hintermeister/Rochester/IBM at IBMUS
>>Date: 08/25/2015 08:17 PM
>>Subject: Re: Persona meeting in Austin
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>What do you think?  I¹m kind of torn because we may need more than two
>>days to work on the personas.  However, the 12-14th is a bit close to the
>>summit and won¹t leave us a lot of time to prepare the personas.
>>
>>Piet
>>
>>
>>Piet Kruithof
>>Sr UX Architect, HP Helion Cloud
>>PTL, OpenStack UX project
>>
>>"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat and
>>wrong.²
>>
>>H L Menken
>>
>>
>>From: Stan Haozhe Li
>><lih at us.ibm.com<mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com<mailto:lih at u
>>s
>>.ibm.com>><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com<mailto:lih at us.ibm.com><mailto:lih at us.ibm
>>.
>>com<mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>>><mailto:lih at us.ibm.com<mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>
>><
>>mailto:lih at us.ibm.com<mailto:lih at us.ibm.com>>>>
>>Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 2:07 PM
>>To: Piet Kruithof
>><pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:p
>>i
>>eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:pie
>>t
>>er.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter
>>.
>>c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>><mailto:pieter.
>>c
>>.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.k
>>r
>>uithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>>
>>Cc: Greg Hintermeister
>><gregh at us.ibm.com<mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com<mailto
>>:
>>gregh at us.ibm.com>><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com<mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailt
>>o
>>:gregh at us.ibm.com<mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>>><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com<mail
>>t
>>o:gregh at us.ibm.com><mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com<mailto:gregh at us.ibm.com>>>>
>>Subject: Re: Persona meeting in Austin
>>
>>
>>Hi Piet,
>>
>>Thanks for reaching out, I was just about to email you on this.
>>
>>I've been trying to secure rooms for the persona workshop, and initially
>>I try to book the collaborative spaces with movable whiteboards that we
>>have in the design studio. However, due to limited availability and vast
>>demand, the earliest days these spaces would be available are: 2nd and
>>3rd October and 12 to 14 October.
>>
>>Would these two times work?
>>
>>I'm still looking for rooms at other buildings that might be available
>>earlier, but I think these design spaces are ideal for a persona
>>workshop.
>>
>>-Stan
>>
>>[Inactive hide details for "Kruithof, Piet" ---08/25/2015 02:54:26
>>PM---Hi Stan | Hi Greg, Hope all is well.]"Kruithof, Piet" ---08/25/2015
>>02:54:26 PM---Hi Stan | Hi Greg, Hope all is well.
>>
>>From: "Kruithof, Piet"
>><pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:p
>>i
>>eter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>><mailto:pie
>>t
>>er.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter
>>.
>>c.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>><mailto:pieter.
>>c
>>.kruithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com><mailto:pieter.c.k
>>r
>>uithof-jr at hp.com<mailto:pieter.c.kruithof-jr at hp.com>>>>
>>To: Stan Haozhe Li/Austin/IBM at IBMUS, Greg
>>Hintermeister/Rochester/IBM at IBMUS
>>Date: 08/25/2015 02:54 PM
>>Subject: Persona meeting in Austin
>>
>>________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi Stan | Hi Greg,
>>
>>Hope all is well.
>>
>>I was wondering whether you have thought about the proposed persona
>>workshop.  Where you still interested in hosting in Austin?  If so, what
>>dates did you have in mind?
>>
>>Piet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Piet Kruithof
>>Sr UX Architect, HP Helion Cloud
>>PTL, OpenStack UX project
>>
>>"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat and
>>wrong.²
>>
>>H L Menken
>>
>>
>>[attachment "graycol.gif" deleted by Stan Haozhe Li/Austin/IBM]
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Ju Lim
>>Red Hat
>>Office: 
>>978-399-0422<tel:978-399-0422><tel:978-399-0422<tel:978-399-0422>>
>>Mobile: 
>>781-507-1323<tel:781-507-1323><tel:781-507-1323<tel:781-507-1323>>
>>Email: 
>>julim at redhat.com<mailto:julim at redhat.com><mailto:julim at redhat.com<mailto:
>>j
>>ulim at redhat.com>>
>>IRC: julim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Ju Lim
>>Red Hat
>>Office: 
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