[Openstack-operators] [nova] Do you, or your users, have input on how get-me-a-network should work in Nova?

Matt Jarvis matt.jarvis at datacentred.co.uk
Fri Feb 26 12:06:33 UTC 2016

As I've already said in this thread, we automatically provide an initial
network and router for all our customers as part of our on-boarding process
so in our case this problem doesn't actually exist unless customers delete
their initial router and network. If a customer has already deleted these
for some reason, my concern around an opt-out process is that we start
automatically creating chargeable entities without the customer
specifically asking for it.

Out of interest, are there really OpenStack public clouds where the cloud
provider doesn't automatically provision an initial network and router ?

On 26 February 2016 at 11:36, Jeremy Stanley <fungi at yuggoth.org> wrote:

> On 2016-02-26 11:21:47 +0000 (+0000), Matt Jarvis wrote:
> > From a public cloud perspective I'm not convinced that an opt-out
> argument
> > is the right way to go. A router in our context is a chargeable item,
> > because it has an external IP address, so automatically creating stuff
> > without the user specifying it is not an ideal outcome. Personally I'd
> > rather see an opt-in argument ie. option 1
> As a user of many public clouds, some of which use Nova network,
> some of which use Neutron with a common flat provider network, et
> cetera, _I_ want them to behave consistently when I ask them to boot
> a node rather than needing to remember that on some subset of them I
> also need to perform an unholy dance to convince them I really want
> to have access to the servers I've created.
> Making it so that some public cloud providers can continue to
> require completely different business logic than others just to have
> a reachable server basically shoots any hope we have as a community
> for consistency and "interoperability" in the head. Cloud providers
> seem to think that they'll attract me with their unique market
> differentiating features, but I could really care less. What I want
> is for OpenStack to succeed by providing a seamless experience where
> things look as identical as possible no matter what provider or
> environment I use. OpenStack doesn't need to compete against itself,
> there is plenty enough competition out there for us already even if
> we band together in a unity of design and function.
> --
> Jeremy Stanley
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