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Hi Anne,

I'm available tomorrow before I have to travel for the summit. I'm happy to help Matt out with the testing. But I also want to ensure the Fedora example patch that I'm working on for the Image guide is submitted before I travel. And of course I can work on it after the Summit.

Thanks,
Deepti

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Deepti Navale 
Content Author, Red Hat OpenStack 
Customer Content Services 
Red Hat Asia Pacific 
Sydney, Australia 
dnavale at redhat.com 

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anne Gentle" <anne at openstack.org>
> To: "Matt Kassawara" <mkassawara at gmail.com>, "Deepti Navale" <dnavale at redhat.com>
> Cc: "Steve Gordon" <sgordon at redhat.com>, openstack-docs at lists.openstack.org
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:22:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [OpenStack-docs] Can we push stable/juno out a day or two?
> 
> Deepti, are you available to work on testing, patching, and reviewing the
> OpenStack Install Guide for RHEL/Fedora/Centos? We already publish it to
> /juno but are hoping to cut a stable branch either this week or after the
> Summit (say, 11/8).
> 
> Matt, sounds like earlier access to the staged packages will be best for
> the future. You sound burned out, so it might be better to shift gears and
> take your time next week. Up to you.
> 
> Thanks Steve for the prompt responses and explanations.
> 
> Thanks,
> Anne
> 
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Matt Kassawara <mkassawara at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I checked the RDO repository almost every day since release and didn't see
> > release packages until the e-mail announcement. Maybe they weren't publicly
> > visible? Anyway, given at least four installation permutations with RDO
> > packages, I would appreciate any help testing the installation guide as
> > soon as packages become available for a particular release. With any luck,
> > we can reduce the delay between official release and a stable installation
> > guide.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Steve Gordon <sgordon at redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Matt Kassawara" <mkassawara at gmail.com>
> >> > To: "Steve Gordon" <sgordon at redhat.com>
> >> >
> >> > Several of the core service packages skipped RC1 and went from
> >> milestone 3
> >> > to RC2. I generally avoid mixing packages with a difference of more than
> >> > one milestone/RC version... especially milestones given significant
> >> changes
> >> > to the services.
> >>
> >> I understand that practice when it comes to the milestone builds, but I
> >> don't think it really makes sense when it comes to the RCs. Either way, we
> >> had packaged builds of the final release available on the 22nd/23rd. This
> >> probably went under the radar as we held off on the formal announcement,
> >> but nobody asked me about it so I didn't realize that the formal email was
> >> a blocker for docs.
> >>
> >> > P.S. - Does anyone from RH work on the installation guide these days?
> >>
> >> Deepti is available to work on upstream guides, I think when she had
> >> discussed priorities with Anne the main ones that came up were identity
> >> federation and some other keystone issues that she has been trying to work
> >> on. If you need assistance feel free to ask her for help.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Steve Gordon <sgordon at redhat.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > From: "Steve Gordon" <sgordon at redhat.com>
> >> > > > To: "Matt Kassawara" <mkassawara at gmail.com>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > From: "Matt Kassawara" <mkassawara at gmail.com>
> >> > > > > To: "Steve Gordon" <sgordon at redhat.com>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > While OpenStack RC code often sufficiently tests services,
> >> packaging
> >> > > > > concerns such as dependencies and default configuration options
> >> tend
> >> > > to lag
> >> > > > > by one or more milestone/RC cycles. The RDO repository only
> >> contained
> >> > > > > milestone 3 packages until just prior to the official release of
> >> Juno
> >> > > when
> >> > > > > RC2 packages appeared in it.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > RC2 tarballs themselves only became available just prior to the
> >> official
> >> > > > release (e.g. Oct 9th for Cinder, Oct 10th for Neutron) and were
> >> put into
> >> > > > the repo on the 13th. The gap between RC1 tarballs being available
> >> and
> >> > > being
> >> > > > put in the repo was similar.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Testing packages (even just the core services), writing patches,
> >> > > reviewing
> >> > > > > patches, and general time allocation
> >> > > > > issues can delay a functional installation guide by a week or more
> >> > > beyond
> >> > > > > the package release date. Furthermore, the RDO packages require
> >> > > testing on
> >> > > > > RHEL/CentOS and Fedora plus the neutron and nova-network
> >> variations. I
> >> > > > > would like to provide users with a mostly functional installation
> >> > > guide on
> >> > > > > the official release date which would require availability of at
> >> least
> >> > > RC
> >> > > > > packages at least one week prior to the official release date.
> >> > > > > release packages becoming available yesterday afternoon and the
> >> plan
> >> > > to cut
> >> > > > > juno/stable for openstack-manuals tomorrow gives us about one day
> >> to
> >> > > > > install the packages on two distributions each with two variants,
> >> > > determine
> >> > > > > the issues, write patches, test them, and run them through the
> >> review
> >> > > > > process before all changes involve backports.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > As a result of user feedback from previous test days we stage and
> >> test
> >> > > the
> >> > > > RDO packages to ensure basic sanity before putting them into the
> >> repo,
> >> > > this
> >> > > > takes time but ensures that we have at least some level of
> >> confidence in
> >> > > the
> >> > > > packages being deployed and avoids user frustration caused by basic
> >> > > issues
> >> > > > that can be easily prevented. If you wish to access the staged
> >> packages
> >> > > in
> >> > > > future while they are still undergoing testing, just ask (they are
> >> > > public,
> >> > > > just not in the main repo).
> >> > >
> >> > > Going back through the repo [1] we pushed builds based on the final
> >> > > release into the repo on the 22nd/23rd and held off formally
> >> announcing
> >> > > while we fixed a few more bugs over the weekend.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > >
> >> > > Steve
> >> > >
> >> > > [1]
> >> > >
> >> https://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/openstack-juno/epel-7/?C=M;O=A
> >> > > > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Steve Gordon <sgordon at redhat.com
> >> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > > > From: "Matt Kassawara" <mkassawara at gmail.com>
> >> > > > > > > To: "Anne Gentle" <anne at openstack.org>
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > If other reasons (outside of the installation guide) exist to
> >> move
> >> > > it
> >> > > > > > > on
> >> > > > > > > the 29th rather than wait until after the summit, I can
> >> deal... but
> >> > > > > > > backporting patches for RHEL/CentOS/Fedora will take more
> >> time and
> >> > > > > > effort.
> >> > > > > > > Not our fault RDO can't push release packages out in a
> >> reasonable
> >> > > > > > > amount
> >> > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > time.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Can you elaborate on what's reasonable so we can endeavour to
> >> > > accommodate
> >> > > > > > in future? Our aim this time around was for +2 weeks on upstream
> >> > > release
> >> > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > allow some level of smoke testing to occur, despite that M-3
> >> and RC
> >> > > > > > packages that could have been used were available leading up to
> >> this.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > We've been communicating this to users @
> >> > > > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/rdo-list/
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Thanks,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Steve
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Anne Gentle <
> >> anne at openstack.org>
> >> > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Matt Kassawara
> >> > > > > > > > <mkassawara at gmail.com>
> >> > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >> The RDO Juno release packages for RHEL/CentOS/Fedora only
> >> became
> >> > > > > > > >> available today [1] which leaves very little time for
> >> testing
> >> > > and
> >> > > > > > patching
> >> > > > > > > >> the installation guide prior to cutting juno/stable for
> >> > > > > > openstack-manuals
> >> > > > > > > >> on the 29th. Can we push it out a day or two?
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > I think if we don't do the 29th it'll be after Nov 7th due
> >> to
> >> > > > > > > > Andreas's
> >> > > > > > > > and my travel schedules, is that an okay solution?
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >> [1]
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >
> >> > >
> >> https://openstack.redhat.com/forum/discussion/992/rdo-juno-packages-available
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________
> >> > > > > > > >> OpenStack-docs mailing list
> >> > > > > > > >> OpenStack-docs at lists.openstack.org
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-docs
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > > > > > OpenStack-docs mailing list
> >> > > > > > > OpenStack-docs at lists.openstack.org
> >> > > > > > >
> >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-docs
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > Steve Gordon, RHCE
> >> > > > > > Sr. Technical Product Manager,
> >> > > > > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > _______________________________________________
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> >> > > > OpenStack-docs at lists.openstack.org
> >> > > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-docs
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Steve Gordon, RHCE
> >> > > Sr. Technical Product Manager,
> >> > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Steve Gordon, RHCE
> >> Sr. Technical Product Manager,
> >> Red Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform
> >>
> >
> >
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