[Openstack-docs] Administration Guide-Design

Tom Fifield tom at openstack.org
Tue Jul 2 02:28:20 UTC 2013


On 02/07/13 12:25, Anne Gentle wrote:
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> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Tom Fifield <tom at openstack.org 
> <mailto:tom at openstack.org>> wrote:
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>     On 02/07/13 12:20, Anne Gentle wrote:
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>      >
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>      > On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Tom Fifield <tom at openstack.org
>     <mailto:tom at openstack.org>
>      > <mailto:tom at openstack.org <mailto:tom at openstack.org>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >     On 02/07/13 12:05, Anne Gentle wrote:
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>      >      > On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Tom Fifield
>     <tom at openstack.org <mailto:tom at openstack.org>
>      >     <mailto:tom at openstack.org <mailto:tom at openstack.org>>
>      >      > <mailto:tom at openstack.org <mailto:tom at openstack.org>
>     <mailto:tom at openstack.org <mailto:tom at openstack.org>>>> wrote:
>      >      >
>      >      >     Welcome Summer! It's great to have you.
>      >      >
>      >      >     So, up until 30 seconds ago when I checked the wiki, I
>      >     thought I had a
>      >      >     good idea of our restructure, which is laid out as:
>      >      >
>     https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprint-restructure-documentation
>      >      >
>      >      >     On of the points of the restructure was to do away
>     with the
>      >     current
>      >      >     administration guide (eg
>      >      > http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin),
>     because
>      >      >     operators found it "exhaustive to the point of being past
>      >     useless"[1].
>      >      >
>      >      >     The aim that I remember was to create a Configuration
>      >     Reference, which
>      >      >     would have much shorter introductions to each of the
>     features in
>      >      >     OpenStack, followed by a table of their configuration
>     options
>      >      >     automatically generated from code.
>      >      >
>      >      >     This was to be accompanied by a User guide, one for
>     end-users
>      >     of the
>      >      >     cloud, and one for Administrators of the cloud (wich
>     much shared
>      >      >     content).
>      >      >
>      >      >     However, I now see that "Administration Guide" has
>     been added
>      >     to the
>      >      >     wiki, which has caused me great confusion :)
>      >      >
>      >      >
>      >      > A couple of reasons for this addition back.
>      >      > - After Diane's analysis of the user guide, she found
>     there are
>      >     plenty
>      >      > of "admin user" tasks that need a guide. The exact title
>     of this new
>      >      > guide we weren't sure of though.
>      >      > - After analysis of the Block Storage Administration Guide
>     and the
>      >      > Networking Administration Guide, both of which have quite
>     a few
>      >      > "owners," I'm am not yet convinced we can get rid of a
>     book with the
>      >      > title Administration Guide. Nick, Diane, and I talked
>     about this last
>      >      > week and Nick was working on an outline.
>      >      > - The specific feedback you mention "being past useless" is
>      >     specific to
>      >      > the Compute Administration Guide. I don't think we can
>     throw out all
>      >      > Administration Guides due to input on the Compute
>     Administration
>      >     Guide.
>      >      > - We agreed at the Summit that more detailed analysis was
>      >     required. This
>      >      > is what we're doing now.
>      >      >
>      >      > Hope that clears up any confusion.
>      >
>      >     That all makes sense, but then I question why we need an
>      >
>      >     "Administration Guide"
>      >
>      >     and a
>      >
>      >     "Admin User Guide"
>      >
>      >     If these two get merged, that'd solve my current issue.
>      >
>      >     :)
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > Yeah the idea started when Diane looked at the (excellent) SUSE Admin
>      > User Guide, and she's still doing a detailed analysis, except
>     that the
>      > Identity API v3 took front-and-center priority... so it'll be at
>     least
>      > another week or two before we have a good answer. I'd like Nick
>     to make
>      > a judgement call there also after he noodles on it a while.
>      >
>      > My guess/hunch is that we don't need an Admin User Guide separate
>     from
>      > an Administration Guide... that it's a title change that's not
>     needed.
>      > Then I think, it sure would be nice to reuse some distro content with
>      > little rework or by adding collaborators. Then I think, someone
>     needs to
>      > really read through the content to make that call. So you can
>     tell I'm
>      > wanting more analysis. I'm hopeful Diane and Nick will read and
>     conclude
>      > with "one Admin Guide to rule them all" heh heh heh.
>      > Anne
> 
>     My analysis is in
>     https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35027/5/doc/src/docbkx/openstack-config/ch_computeconfigure.xml
> 
>     Look for the lines starting with 'status'.
> 
> 
> I like!
> 
> I think it's spot on with Diane's conclusions too. Just have to start 
> yankin'.

Yay :)

See also, in that same patch what I did to the VNC stuff, separating out
the "using-vnc-console" from the "configuring vnc console".

Worthy of +2 love ? :D

> 
>      >      > Nick specifically is doing an analysis of admin guides.
>       Summer
>      >     can you
>      >      > and Nick work together on a detailed outline and analysis? One
>      >     question
>      >      > he is working through is whether "OpenStack Administration" is
>      >     important
>      >      > or "Block Storage Administration" is important, as well as "Is
>      >      > Administration daily tasks and troubleshooting? More or less?"
>      >      >
>      >      > My current thinking is:
>      >      > Administration Guides per project may have a place. John
>     Griffith and
>      >      > Dan Wendlandt did a great job gathering content around their
>      >     projects,
>      >      > Block Storage and Networking respectively. This is my line of
>      >      > questioning in the survey I sent out recently. [2]
>     Specifically,
>      >     these
>      >      > two questions:
>      >      > 4. As a reader, would you prioritize project docs over
>     overarching
>      >      > docsor vice-versa? Why?
>      >      >
>      >      >
>      >      > 5. As a project maintainer, which docs would you value
>     more highly,
>      >      >     combined solutions docs or docs specific and detailed for
>      >     your project? Why?
>      >      >
>      >      > I know we have a lot more to work through to get to the right
>      >     library of
>      >      > books for OpenStack, as well as working on a definition of
>     "official"
>      >      > and a scope for what is released for a release. All of these
>      >     questions
>      >      > are tangled together and we'll all work together to straighten
>      >     them out.
>      >      > Tom and I spoke last week about a new layout for the
>     landing page so
>      >      > that we can set expectations early and provide focused
>     efforts.
>      >     That's
>      >      > why I'm very glad you're asking early, Summer, and that
>     we're all
>      >     able
>      >      > to input our findings as we go.
>      >      >
>      >      > Hopefully I'm detangling and not entangling! Let's talk more
>      >     about it at
>      >      > next week's meeting and on this list.
>      >      > Anne
>      >      >
>      >      > [2]
>      >      >
>      >
>     http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2013-June/002037.html
>      >      >
>      >      >
>      >      >
>      >      >     Regards,
>      >      >
>      >      >
>      >      >     Tom
>      >      >
>      >      >    
>     [1]https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1110137
>      >      >
>      >      >     On 02/07/13 10:45, Nicholas Chase wrote:
>      >      >      >
>      >      >      > On 7/1/2013 8:06 PM, Summer Long wrote:
>      >      >      >> Hi Anne,
>      >      >      >> I've been working on OpenStack docs over at Red
>     Hat, and
>      >     would
>      >      >     like to
>      >      >      >> help with the OS Admin Guide.
>      >      >      >> Can you tell me where I can contribute to its
>     design? Steve
>      >      >     Gordon tells
>      >      >      >> me that the intent is to consolidate the various
>      >     component guides?
>      >      >      >
>      >      >      > Hi, Summer --
>      >      >      >
>      >      >      > I've actually been pretty quiet here, but I'm currently
>      >     working on a
>      >      >      > plan for this consolidation -- blueprint to be up
>     shortly, I
>      >      >     promise! --
>      >      >      > would you like to get together sometime this week
>     to chat
>      >     about
>      >      >     how we
>      >      >      > might work together on this?
>      >      >      >
>      >      >      >> I'm new to working with Open Source docs (previously
>      >     worked with
>      >      >      >> proprietary software houses), so am pretty excited
>     about
>      >      >     stepping over
>      >      >      >> to the light side!
>      >      >      >
>      >      >      > I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, nice to have
>      >     you here. :)
>      >      >      >
>      >      >      > ----  Nick
>      >      >      >
>      >      >      >> thanks,
>      >      >      >> Summer
>      >      >      >>
>      >      >      >>
>      >      >      >> Summer Long
>      >      >      >> OpenStack Documentation
>      >      >      >> Engineering Content Services
>      >      >      >>
>      >      >      >> Red Hat Asia Pacific
>      >      >      >> Brisbane, Australia
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