[Openstack-docs] Common content strategy?

Tom Fifield tom at openstack.org
Thu Aug 1 19:53:54 UTC 2013


Just quickly on the crazy linking that's going on right now.

I'm one of the worst offenders of breaking the model, but I believe
there's good reason ... in doing the restructure, I'm trying to keep
current things in place, but note that they'll be subsumed as further
progress is made.

If there's a big effort to push content into the common folder right
now, you'll end up with most of the compute admin manual and the config
reference in the common folder.

Suggestion: hold off for a bit and do the cleanup after the worst of the
restructure is over?


Regards,


Tom

On 02/08/13 05:47, Anne Gentle wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Nermina Miller <nerminamiller at gmail.com
> <mailto:nerminamiller at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     +1 for file naming. (Are sections considered separate files?) Have
>     you all thought any further about adding an index? Thanks! - Nermina
> 
> 
> Sections can definitely be separate and it's really nice to have "all
> one page" sections. I'd like them to be written in such a way that we
> avoid that "tiny little paragraph on a page" problem that users have
> identified.
> 
> Also, I think that manually indexing is just more work than we want
> right now. To me, there are way too many quality issues to have any
> resources work on an index. Plus, I only like human-made indexes, not
> machine-made. That said, I'm certain that the truly book artifacts will
> get an index, such as when we get a custom edit from O'Reilly on a book.
> Anyone else have a strong opinion?
> Anne
>  
> 
> 
>     On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Diane Fleming
>     <diane.fleming at rackspace.com <mailto:diane.fleming at rackspace.com>>
>     wrote:
> 
>         I think it's a good practice to also add the content type to the
>         file name, like this:
> 
>         section_nova_commands.xml -> for a section
>         ch_nova_overview.xml -> for a chapter
>         app_nova_commands.xml -> for an appendix
> 
>         But whatever convention you come up with, document it on the
>         documentation wiki for future reference!
> 
>         thanks,
> 
> 
>         /Diane/
>         /----------------------------------------------/
>         Diane Fleming
>         Software Developer II - US
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>         From: Anne Gentle <annegentle at justwriteclick.com
>         <mailto:annegentle at justwriteclick.com>>
>         Date: Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:49 AM
>         To: Steve Gordon <sgordon at redhat.com <mailto:sgordon at redhat.com>>
>         Cc: Diane Fleming <diane.fleming at rackspace.com
>         <mailto:diane.fleming at rackspace.com>>,
>         "openstack-docs at lists.openstack.org
>         <mailto:openstack-docs at lists.openstack.org>"
>         <openstack-docs at lists.openstack.org
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>         Subject: Re: [Openstack-docs] Common content strategy?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Steve Gordon <sgordon at redhat.com
>         <mailto:sgordon at redhat.com>> wrote:
> 
>             ----- Original Message -----
>             > From: "Anne Gentle" <annegentle at justwriteclick.com
>             <mailto:annegentle at justwriteclick.com>>
>             > To: "Diane Fleming" <diane.fleming at rackspace.com
>             <mailto:diane.fleming at rackspace.com>>
>             > Cc: "Steve Gordon" <sgordon at redhat.com <mailto:sgordon at redhat.com>>,
>             openstack-docs at lists.openstack.org
>             <mailto:openstack-docs at lists.openstack.org>
>             > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:36:51 PM
>             > Subject: Re: [Openstack-docs] Common content strategy?
>             >
>             > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Diane Fleming
>             > <diane.fleming at rackspace.com
>             <mailto:diane.fleming at rackspace.com>>wrote:
>             >
>             > > Steve,
>             > >
>             > >
>             > > Good points.
>             > >
>             > > I have no objections to you moving shared content into the "common"
>             > > directory.
>             > >
>             > > I will move my "common" files into common this afternoon. (The CLI guide
>             > > is going away - I just wanted it to build successfully until I got the end
>             > > and admin user guides sorted out - so I sources files for the CLI guide
>             > > from the user guide.)
>             > >
>             > > Once I move my files, you can continue moving anything else that should go
>             > > there as you see fit!
>             > >
>             > > Thanks,
>             > >
>             > >
>             > > Diane
>             > > ----------------------------------------------
>             > > Diane Fleming
>             > > Software Developer II - US
>             > >
>             > > diane.fleming at rackspace.com <mailto:diane.fleming at rackspace.com>
>             > > Cell  512.323.6799 <tel:512.323.6799>
>             > > Office 512.874.1260 <tel:512.874.1260>
>             > > Skype drfleming0227
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>             > >
>             > >
>             > >
>             > >
>             > >
>             > >
>             > > On 7/31/13 1:20 PM, "Steve Gordon" <sgordon at redhat.com <mailto:sgordon at redhat.com>> wrote:
>             > >
>             > > >Hi all,
>             > > >
>             > > >In the lead up to the Grizzly release I made a handful of commits to move
>             > > >shared content into the common directory, where it was not already there.
>             > > >This had the effect of:
>             > > >
>             > > >- Making it more obvious which content was actually shared (in one case I
>             > > >even found a file inside the openstack-compute-admin folder that was no
>             > > >longer used in that guide at all, but was used by others).
>             > >
>             >
>             > Great find. Would you mind another search round for files not being used
>             > anywhere at all and patching to remove those?
> 
>             Yes I will look into this further, obviously I want to be
>             very sure something isn't included from somewhere before
>             removing it :).
> 
>             > > >- Making it easier for me to transform/build with Publican (an admittedly
>             > > >selfish reason but listing for completeness :)).
>             > > >
>             > >
>             >
>             > Sure, good reason!
>             >
>             >
>             > > >Looking at the state of the repository as it stands today I have noticed
>             > > >that a few instances of the following have been creeping back in as a
>             > > >result of the restructuring efforts:
>             > > >
>             > > >- Content that has become common (linked in to multiple guides) but not
>             > > >been moved to a location beneath the "common" folder (I'm ignoring here
>             > > >the case where the cli-guide now largely includes content from the
>             > > >user-guide folder as I believe the cli-guide is effectively now part of
>             > > >the user-guide effort?).
>             > >
>             >
>             > Yep, Diane's on it.
>             >
>             >
>             > >  >- Content in the "common" folder that itself links in content from other
>             > > >guides - effectively resulting in (1).
>             > > >
>             > > >I was wondering whether there are any objections to me continuing to
>             > > >submit patches to move common content falling into these categories into
>             > > >common (and of course update the relevant xi:includes)? There are by no
>             > > >means a lot of these but I feel like it's probably easier to keep on top
>             > > >of them as they come to light rather than waiting - that is if others
>             > > >agree it's not problematic for me to be doing this. I was also wondering
>             > > >if there might be a need to define a deeper taxonomy for content under
>             > > >the "common" folder?
>             > >
>             >
>             > No objections at all, I love this cleanup effort.
>             >
>             > For a deeper taxonomy, do you mean you'll put more folders in to help show
>             > where it's reused? Or some file renaming? Let me know your thoughts there
>             > so when I review I know what the taxonomy will be.
> 
>             This was really an open-ended question. At the moment *most*
>             of the files in there are named such that they are prefixed
>             by the name of the project/technology they relate to, simply
>             applying this consistently might be enough to tidy things up
>             rather than going into any additional nesting of folders etc.
> 
> 
>         Big plus 1 from me for more consistency in naming. I keep
>         meaning to do that clean up but I think I'll focus on doc bugs
>         if you can work on a naming cleanup.
> 
>         Thanks!
>         Anne
>          
> 
>             Thanks,
> 
>             Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>         Anne Gentle
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>     -- 
>     Thank you!
> 
>     Nermina Miller
>     Tech Writer and Editor
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