Freenode and

Zane Bitter zbitter at
Wed May 26 20:29:12 UTC 2021

On 20/05/21 3:39 pm, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> On 2021-05-20 21:28:26 +0200 (+0200), Dmitry Tantsur wrote:
> [...]
>> This is, indeed, not quite on-topic, but I'm advocating for
>> Matrix, mostly because that's where Mozilla went and because it
>> seems to check all the boxes.
> [...]
> It seems, from what little I've read, that Matrix servers can
> integrate with IRC server networks and bridge channels fairly
> seamlessly. If there were a Matrix bridge providing access to the
> same channels as people were participating in via IRC (wherever that
> happened to be), would that address your concerns?

Here's the problem: IRC authentication is a disaster.

Matrix authentication is decent by all accounts.

If you bridge a system with decent authentication to a system where 
authentication is a disaster, you get a disaster (see also: 
Schopenhauer's Law of Entropy).

IRC works fine for me and you because we made it fine by doing stuff 
that has the effect of excluding casual users and new contributors.

Although I think OFTC was always a better choice than Freenode ever was, 
the reality is that by moving there we will continue to exclude new 
people in this way, plus we'll lose a few of the old people along the 
way (and maybe even manage to completely fragment the community, judging 
by some of the comments in this subthread).

IMHO by refusing to consider Matrix we are missing an opportunity to 
make the community more open while only paying the cost of moving once. 
Instead it appears we are going to pay the (community) cost without 
getting any of the benefits.


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