Freenode and

Clark Boylan cboylan at
Wed May 19 20:26:22 UTC 2021

On Wed, May 19, 2021, at 9:22 AM, Artem Goncharov wrote:
> Yes, pool would be great.
> Please do not take this offensive, but just stating IRC survived till 
> now and thus we should keep it is not really productive from my pov.
> Why is everything what OpenStack doing/using is so complex? (Please do 
> not comment on the items below, I’m not really interested in any 
> answers/explanations. This is a rhetorical question)

I know you explicitly asked that we not respond, but I don't find this particular approach to applying criticism to be particularly productive. Nor is it helpful to further the discussion around the Freenode situation.

I'm happy to try and re-frame these discussions on separate threads if we'd like to. Keep in mind that the tools and infrastructure we use today are largely maintained by an ever shrinking group of individuals. We do our best to meet the needs of our users (and my completely biased opinion is that we do a kick ass job with the resources we're given). That said I'm sure we can improve in a number of ways and framing that in a constructive way rather than telling us to not respond would be preferred.

> - gerrit. Yes it is great, yes it is fulfilling our needs. But how much 
> we would lower the entry barrier for the contributions not using such 
> complex setup that we have.
> - irc. Yes it survived till now. Yes it does simple things the best 
> way. When I am online - everything is perfect (except of often 
> connection drops). But the fun starts when I am not online (one of the 
> simplest things for the communication platform with normally 60% of the 
> day duration). Why should anyone care of searching any reasonably 
> maintained IRC bouncer (or grep through eavesdrop logs), would should 
> anyone pay for a simple mobile client?
> - issue tracker. You know yourself...
> Onboarding new people into the OpenStack contribution is a process of 
> multiple months (so many times done that, also with all the Student 
> programs we do).
> Once you are in it for years - everything seems to be absolutely fine. 
> But entering this world is nearly a nightmare.
> I do not want to say - let’s change everything at once (or anything at 
> all), but if we have chance we should not abandon idea of doing things 
> better this time. In a daily work we all swim in workarounds we did for 
> nearly everything.
> Cheers

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