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 ---- On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 10:14:58 -0500 Arx Cruz <arxcruz at redhat.com> wrote ----
 > Hello,
 > I would like to start a discussion regarding the topic.
 > At this moment in time we have an opportunity to be a more open and inclusive project by eliminating outdated naming conventions from tempest codebase, such as blacklist, whitelist.We should take the opportunity and do our best to replace outdated terms with their more inclusive alternatives.As you can see in [1] the TripleO project is already working on this initiative, and I would like to work on this as well on the tempest side.

Thanks Arx for raising it.

I always have hard time to understand the definition of 'outdated naming conventions ' are they
outdated from coding language perspective or outdated as English language perspective? 
I do not see naming used in coding language should be matched with English as grammar/outdated/new style language. 
As long as they are not so bad (hurt anyone culture, abusing word etc) it is fine to keep them as it is and
start adopting new names for new things we code.

For me, naming convention are the things which always can be improved over time, none of the name is
best suited for everyone in open source. But we need to understand whether it is worth to do in term of
1. effort of changing those 2. un- comfortness of adopting new names 3. again changing in future.

At least from Tempest perspective, blacklist is very known common word used for lot of interfaces and
dependent testing tool. I cannot debate on how good it is or bad but i can debate on not-worth to change
now. For new interface, we can always use best-suggested name as per that time/culture/maintainers. We 
have tried few of such improvement in past but end up not-successful. Example:
- https://opendev.org/openstack/tempest/src/commit/e1eebfa8451d4c28bef0669e4a7f493b6086cab9/tempest/test.py#L43

-gmann

 > 
 > Any thoughts? Shall I start with a sepc, adding deprecation warnings?
 > 
 > [1] https://review.opendev.org/#/c/740013/1/specs/victoria/renaming_rules.rst
 > Kind regards,
 > 
 > 
 > -- 
 >                   Arx Cruz        
 >                           Software Engineer        
 >                   Red Hat EMEA        
 >                               arxcruz at redhat.com                   
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