[all] [kolla] Kolla Builder - next generation
mnaser at vexxhost.com
Tue Apr 21 19:12:17 UTC 2020
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:15 AM Mark Goddard <mark at stackhpc.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 at 15:10, Radosław Piliszek
> <radoslaw.piliszek at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello fellow OpenStackers and Kollars (or Koalas) in particular,
> > today is the day when I finally sit down to write up my thoughts on
> > Kolla, and I mean *Kolla*, the container image building project for
> > OpenStack and friends, nothing more (nor less).
> Thanks for writing this up Radosław. It's good to engage in some open
> ended proposals and discussion from time to time.
> > ***
> > Some background on Kolla to get everyone on the same page (or close enough):
> > Kolla builds images for production use. Kolla is upstream for TripleO
> > containers and Kolla-Ansible deployment.
> > These are container images, think OCI and Docker in particular since
> > Kolla actually relies on Dockerfile format to specify build recipes
> > and Docker runs building (TripleO runs buildah on the same recipes).
> > Kolla supports three distributions as bases: CentOS (TripleO does
> > override this for RHEL as well), Debian and Ubuntu.
> > In the interim periods Kolla supports two distribution releases to
> > ease/smooth the transition process for operators (like currently
> > CentOS 7 and 8 in Train, while Ussuri is 8 only).
> > What is more, each distro has two flavours (or 'types' as they are
> > called for now): binary and source.
> > This 'type' applies only to OpenStack software. Binary means that
> > Kolla uses downstream packages (rpm/deb) while source means to use pip
> > and install from official tarballs (or repos if it is master) and PyPI
> > for deps, utilising venv to keep it separate from distro stuff.
> > Finally, there is particular target architecture: x86_64, aarch64 and ppc64le.
> > All of above affect the support matrix which is based on 3 or 4
> > dimensions (distro, flavour, arch and sometimes distro version). 
> > Kolla offers a high level of customisability via various overrides
> > levels. See docs for details 
> > Kolla engine offers hierarchical approach to image building, under the
> > assumption that more than one image is often deployed on the same
> > machine so layer sharing is beneficial.
> It also makes the build more efficient if you build multiple images at once.
> > Kolla helps collect sources for OpenStack projects to build desired
> > versions of them.
> > All recipes are templated using Jinja2 syntax.
> > Images contain both run-time and, mostly in the case of 'source'
> > flavour, build-time tools and libraries.
> > *** That's it for the background. :-)
> > So where is the problem you might ask? Oh, there are plenty.
> > The general is that Kolla has lots of logic in templates.
> > Thankfully, Kolla has macros for most stuff but still Jinja2
> > limitations make it hard to document exceptions (no inline comments in
> > arrays anyone?).
> > We lose visibility into real dependency graphs and may be easily
> > reinstalling same stuff, any optimisations are limited and would
> > require parsing of both Jinja2 and Dockerfile syntax.
> > In general the current approach is ugly and becomes unwieldy (e.g.
> > getting warnings about empty continuation lines).
> > There is layering hell: dependency on long &&ed commands which are
> > templated out to avoid useless layers.
> > Support matrix is great for an overview.
> > There is a hidden layer to it though, different combinations may
> > support different features.
> > This is not documented so far and not so easy to follow from sources.
> > This stems from the fact that different extra components have
> > different availability in distros, but this is not easily apparent
> > from sources.
> > Also, there is no way to turn feature on/off. You might do an
> > override, but then again, which to keep, which not to? Which is which?
> > Oh!
> > Finally, the images tend to be heavy due to inclusion of build-time deps.
> My multi-stage build PoC  suggests about 150MB could be saved for
> source images. With shared image layers we only get that saving once,
> in openstack-base, so this would have most effect in an environment
> where images are built individually at different times, and may not
> share layers.
> > *** That's it for issues (hopefully!)
> > My idea is to reuse Kolla engine where it shines: sources collection,
> > system of plugins, hierarchical building; but replace the part that
> > smells - Jinja2 templating.
> > Giving up on Jinja2 might encompass giving up on Dockerfile syntax,
> > but that is optional and depends on what makes it more amenable to
> > avoid further pitfalls.
> > With giving up on Jinja2, the idea is to generate building recipes
> > fully programmatically from Python.
> There would be some nice advantages to this, not least it would be
> Python rather than Jinja. Also it would be nicely unit testable.
> However, Jinja does give us some nice properties. Dockerfiles are
> relatively WYSIWIG, and this keeps the barrier to contribution low.
> Often the most that needs to be done to help a contributor get started
> with kolla is to say 'here is the Dockerfile.j2 for the image you want
> to change'.
> As Sean rightly pointed out, we have wedded ourselves to Jinja by
> exposing it as a customisation point, through blocks and overrides.
> We'd need to replicate that.
> A potential substitute for unit testing could be to generate every
> supported combination of Dockerfiles, and keep them in the repository.
> These would need to be updated with each change, but would allow us to
> see the final content of the images for each distro. Even better than
> this would be to use TestInfra  to validate various expectations
> about image content (e.g. virtualenv uses py3.6, package foo is
> > It would be possible to introduce "Features" - sets of packages to
> > install based on the (distro, arch) tuple.
> > This would result in more flexibility - turning them on/off (some
> > could be optional, some not).
> > There could be more than one optimization strategy regarding when
> > packages get installed: you want only standalone blah-blah? Then Kolla
> > won't be installing XYZ and ABC just because ugma-ugma and
> > tickle-tickle require them and you "could save some space" (TM).
> > In the same vein, features could declare which components are
> > build-time and which are run-time and this would make it
> > straightforward to separate the sides.
> This could be neat, although it would be difficult to test and keep
> working, and would only increase our support matrix. You could do it
> with Jinja, although it might get a bit unwieldy.
> > The above effort could well be coordinated with different projects to
> > reuse bindep contents. So far Kolla does not use bindep because it
> > often installs too much and not enough at the same time.
> > Do note it would still be bindep-less for external services.
> I like the idea of using bindep for source images, in combination with
> multi-stage builds. If we could reduce the length of our package
> dependency lists by relying on bindep, that would be a nice win.
> Ideally, between distro package dependencies and bindep, we would need
> to specify few additional packages.
I think this is a golden ticket of what I'm trying to accomplish and this is
what OpenDev is currently doing. Ideally, there _should_ be no distro package
dependencies because they should all be modeled inside bindep (using different
profiles if needed).
I still think that if we do this, there is a lot of value in being
able to do this in-repo
because those Dockerfile's will be pretty static. While I appreciate
that Kolla has
all sorts of neat things to customize images, for a certain operator
much rather either have a Dockerfile to build off of or an existing base image
Kolla could be the thing that drives this, Kolla could become
or parts of it could be. However, I think the "customization bits"
should ideally stay
outside of the scope of this, because we just want to publish an artifact with
> > There would still need to exist a general mechanism for providing
> > custom command executions required by some images.
> > For contributors and cores this new approach would bring more sanity
> > as to the scope of proposed changes.
> > Also, it would be possible to get quick insight into feature support
> > and autogenerate docs for that as well.
> > Similarly, current concept of unbuildable images would no longer be
> > required because unbuildability would be dictated by lack of support
> > for a required feature.
> I'm not sure what you mean by 'feature' here, but I'd say the most
> common reason an image is unbuildable currently is that the main
> package required by the image is unavailable, rather than some
> ancillary package required for a particular feature. Modifying
> unbuildable images to include unavailable features could be
> interesting, but would be an extension of current behaviour.
> > ***
> > Looking forward to your opinions/thoughts.
> I think there are some good ideas in here, but I feel that the
> cost/benefit of the core proposal to replace Jinja with Python doesn't
> work for me. Specifically, the cost would be high in terms of being a
> significant rewrite of every image and building additional tooling,
> plus the operator headaches of switching to the new customisation
> model. In terms of benefits, it seems they are mostly for contributors
> rather than users.
> I'd like us to explore some of the pain points raised here, and also
> see if we can determine any others through the kolla klub.
> * Can we reduce the image size? Are we installing unnecessary
> packages? (spoiler, yes) Can we use multi stage builds?
> * Can we improve testing, to make it clearer what the effects of
> changing a particular image would be?
> * What would a 'feature' look like with our current tooling? I'd like
> to see a concrete example.
> * What can we learn from the proposed goal  to add container images
> for each project? Could kolla be used in a more distributed manner
> more amenable to a CI/CD pattern where each project publishes its own
> images? Could we add a 'python' base distro that is based on the
> python:3-slim image? I realise the authors of the goal won't like
> this, but it does add some missing flexibility to their proposal.
>  https://review.opendev.org/#/c/631647/
>  https://testinfra.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
>  https://review.opendev.org/#/c/720107/
> > ***
> >  https://docs.openstack.org/kolla/train/support_matrix.html
> >  https://docs.openstack.org/kolla/train/admin/image-building.html
> > -yoctozepto
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