[tc][kolla][kayobe] Feedback request: kayobe seeking official status

Mark Goddard mark at stackhpc.com
Thu Jun 6 08:49:44 UTC 2019

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 09:27, Thierry Carrez <thierry at openstack.org> wrote:
> Mark Goddard wrote:
> > [...]
> > We see two options for becoming an official OpenStack project:
> >
> > 1. become a deliverable of the Kolla project
> > 2. become an official top level OpenStack project
> >
> > Given the affinity with the Kolla project I feel that option 1 seems
> > natural. However, I do not want to use influence as PTL to force this
> > approach.
> > [...]
>  From a governance perspective, the two options are definitely possible.
> Kayobe can be seen as one of the Kolla-derived deployment tools, or it
> can be seen as a new deployment tool combining two existing projects
> (Kolla and Bifrost). Project teams are cheap: the best solution is the
> one that best aligns to the social reality.
> So I'd say the decision depends on how much independence Kayobe wants to
> have from Kolla. Having a separate project team will for example make it
> easier to have separate meetings, but harder to have common meetings.
> How much of a separate team is Kayobe from Kolla? How much do you want
> it to stay that way?

Right now the intersection of the core teams is only me. While all
Kayobe contributors are familiar with Kolla projects, the reverse is
not true. This is partly because Kolla and/or Kolla Ansible can be
used without Kayobe, and partly because Kayobe is a newer project
which typically gets adopted at the beginning of a cloud deployment.

It certainly seems to make sense from the Kayobe community perspective
to join these communities. I think the question the Kolla team needs
to ask is whether the benefit of a more complete set of tooling is
worth the overhead of adding a new deliverable that may not be used by
all contributors or in all deployments.

> --
> Thierry Carrez (ttx)

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