[openstack-dev] Fwd: Denver Ops Meetup post-mortem

Chris Morgan mihalis68 at gmail.com
Thu Sep 20 20:46:32 UTC 2018

The issue I ran into with IRC was a bit more obscure. "real IRC" is
entirely blocked from all networks provided to me by my employer (even the
office wifi).

The web interface I was using (irccloud) didn't work for nickname
registration either.

When trying real (non-web-wrapped) IRC from my laptop via an LTE hotspot it
also failed. We eventually worked out that it's because Freenode has
blacklisted large IP ranges including my AT&T service.

Can't connect unless authenticated, can't register nickname for auth
because not connected.

The answer in that case is to register the nickname on

This "chicken and egg" problem is explained here:


On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 12:18 AM Kendall Nelson <kennelson11 at gmail.com>

> Hello!
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:36 PM Chris Morgan <mihalis68 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Chris Morgan <mihalis68 at gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 2:13 PM
>> Subject: Denver Ops Meetup post-mortem
>> To: OpenStack Operators <OpenStack-operators at lists.openstack.org>
>>  Hello All,
>>   Last week we had a successful Ops Meetup embedded in the OpenStack
>> Project Team Gathering in Denver.
>> Despite generally being a useful gathering, there were definitely lessons
>> learned and things to work on, so I thought it would be useful to share a
>> post-mortem. I encourage everyone to share their thoughts on this as well.
>> What went well:
>> - some of the sessions were great and a lot of progress was made
>> - overall attendance in the ops room was good
>> - more developers were able to join the discussions
>> - facilities were generally fine
>> - some operators leveraged being at PTG to have useful involvement in
>> other sessions/discussions such as Keystone, User Committee, Self-Healing
>> SIG, not to mention the usual "hallway conversations", and similarly some
>> project devs were able to bring pressing questions directly to operators.
>> What didn't go so well:
>> - Merging into upgrade SIG didn't go particularly well
>> - fewer ops attended (in particular there were fewer from outside the US)
>> - Some of the proposed sessions were not well vetted
>> - some ops who did attend stated the event identity was diluted, it was
>> less attractive
>> - we tried to adjust the day 2 schedule to include late submissions,
>> however it was probably too late in some cases
>> I don't think it's so important to drill down into all the whys and
>> wherefores of how we fell down here except to say that the ops meetups team
>> is a small bunch of volunteers all with day jobs (presumably just like
>> everyone else on this mailing list). The usual, basically.
>> Much more important : what will be done to improve things going forward:
>> - The User Committee has offered to get involved with the technical
>> content. In particular to bring forward topics from other relevant events
>> into the ops meetup planning process, and then take output from ops meetups
>> forward to subsequent events. We (ops meetup team) have welcomed this.
>> - The Ops Meetups Team will endeavor to start topic selection earlier and
>> have a more critical approach. Having a longer list of possible sessions
>> (when starting with material from earlier events) should make it at least
>> possible to devise a better agenda. Agenda quality drives attendance to
>> some extent and so can ensure a virtuous circle.
>> - We need to work out whether we're doing fixed schedule events (similar
>> to previous mid-cycle Ops Meetups) or fully flexible PTG-style events, but
>> grafting one onto the other ad-hoc clearly is a terrible idea. This needs
>> more discussion.
>> - The Ops Meetups Team continues to explore strange new worlds, or at
>> least get in touch with more and more OpenStack operators to find out what
>> the meetups team and these events could do for them and hence drive the
>> process better. One specific work item here is to help the (widely
>> disparate) operator community with technical issues such as getting setup
>> with the openstack git/gerrit and IRC. The latter is the preferred way for
>> the community to meet, but is particularly difficult now with the
>> registered nickname requirement. We will add help documentation on how to
>> get over this hurdle.
> After you get onto freenode at IRC you can register your nickname with a
> single command and then you should be able to join any of the channels. The
> command you need: ' /msg nickserv register $PASSWORD $EMAIL_ADDRESS'. You
> can find more instructions here about setting up IRC[1].
> If you get stuck or have any questions, please let me know! I am happy to
> help with the setup of IRC or gerrit or anything else that might be a
> barrier.
>> Chris
>> --
>> Chris Morgan <mihalis68 at gmail.com>
>> --
>> Chris Morgan <mihalis68 at gmail.com>
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