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On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 8:14 PM Surya Singh <singh.surya64mnnit at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Thanks Rich for putting thoughts on continuation with kolla-k8s.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 2:26 AM, Richard Wellum <richwellum at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > So as a current Kolla-Kubernetes Core - I have a slightly different
> opinion than most, I'll try to verbalize it coherently.
> >
> > Lets talk about what Kolla is:
> >
> > Kolla is a project that builds OpenStack docker images, stores them on
> dockerhub, and provides tools to build your own images from your own
> source. Both the images and the tools it provides, are widely used, very
> popular and extremely stable; TripleO, openstack-helm and kolla-ansible to
> name a few are all deployment methods that use Kolla.
> >
> > Kolla has two sub-projects, that both revolve around deployment methods;
> kolla-ansible and kolla-kubernetes. Kolla-ansible is proven, stable and
> used by many in the industry. Part of Kolla's quality is it's rock-solid
> dependability in many scenarios. As Kubernetes took over most of the COE
> world, it's only correct that the Kolla team created this sub-project; if
> swarm became suddenly very popular then we should create a kolla-swarm
> sub-project.
> >
> > So if we abandon kolla-kubernetes ('sunset' seems much more romantic
> admittedly) - we are abandoning the core Kolla team's efforts in this
> space. No matter how good openstack-helm is (and I've deployed it, know a
> lot of the cores and it's truly excellent and well driven), what happens
> down the line if openstack-helm decide to move on from Kolla - say
> focussing on Loci images or a new flavor that comes along? Then Kolla the
> core project, will no longer have any validation of it's docker
> images/containers running on Kubernetes. That to me is the big risk here.
> >
> > The key issue in my opinion is that the core Kolla team has focussed on
> kolla-ansible almost exclusively, and have not migrated to using
> kolla-kubernetes as well. As the code base has stagnated, the gates get
> intro trouble, and new features and configurations added to kolla-ansible
> are not translated to kolla-kubernetes.
> >
> > So I think the real question is not whether we should 'sunset'
> kolla-kubernetes the sub-project, but should we drop Kolla support on
> Kubernetes? Relying on a different team to do so is probably not the
> answer; although it's the one championed in this thread.
>
> +1
>
> >
> > In my opinion we should set some realistic goals before we sunset:
> >
> > 1. Pick a feature set for a Rocky v1.0 release, and commit to trying to
> get there. We have a long list of items, maybe pair this down to something
> reasonable.
>
> I am agree that we should have feature set for Rocky v1.0 release and
> AFAIK community already have that.
>
> > 2. Agreement within Kolla core team to learn kolla-kubernetes and start
> to put a percentage of time into this sub-project.
> > 3. Identify the people who are genuinely interested in working with it
> within the Kolla team.
>
> Though currently I am not the MVP in kolla-k8s but i would love to
> help with some concrete item for v1.0, IMHO before that we need a
> leader then identify volunteers.
> And for that if we need more thought on this
> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552531
>
> I missed this and will review.

Thanks,

||Rich


> >
> > Without '2' I think sunsetting is the way forward, but the risks should
> be fully understood and hopefully I've made a case for what those are above.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > ||Rich
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 1:54 PM Chuck Short <zulcss at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> chuck
> >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Jeffrey Zhang <
> zhang.lei.fly at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There are two projects to solve the issue that run OpenStack on
> >>> Kubernetes, OpenStack-helm, and kolla-kubernetes. Them both
> >>> leverage helm tool for orchestration. There is some different
> perspective
> >>> at the beginning, which results in the two teams could not work
> together.
> >>>
> >>> But recently, the difference becomes too small. and there is also no
> active
> >>> contributor in the kolla-kubernetes project.
> >>>
> >>> So I propose to retire kolla-kubernetes project. If you are still
> >>> interested in running OpenStack on kubernetes, please refer to
> >>> openstack-helm project.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Jeffrey Zhang
> >>> Blog: http://xcodest.me
> >>>
> >>>
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