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On 2018-03-08 01:24 PM, Jay S Bryant wrote:
> 
> 
> On 3/8/2018 12:22 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
>> On 2018-03-08 09:03 AM, Jens Harbott wrote:
>>> With the current PTG just finished and seeing discussions happen about
>>> the format of the next[0], it seems that the advantages of these seem
>>> to be pretty clear to most, so let me use the occasion to remind
>>> everyone of the disadvantages.
>>>
>>> Every meeting that is happening is excluding those contributors that
>>> can not attend it. And with that it is violating the fourth Open
>>> principle[1], having a community that is open to everyone. If you are
>>> wondering whom this would affect, here's a non-exclusive (sic) list of
>>> valid reasons not to attend physical meetings:
>>>
>>> - Health issues
>>> - Privilege issues (like not getting visa or travel permits)
>>> - Caretaking responsibilities (children, other family, animals, plants)
>>> - Environmental concerns
>>
>> I'll add dislike for travel, which affects some of our contributors.
>>
>>>
>>> So when you are considering whether it is worth the money and effort
>>> to organise PTGs or similar events, I'd like you also to consider
>>> those being excluded by such activities. It is not without a reason
>>> that IRC and emails have been settled upon as preferred means of
>>> communication. I'm not saying that physical meetings should be dropped
>>> altogether, but maybe more effort can be placed into providing means
>>> of remote participation, which might at least reduce some effects.
>>>
>>> [0] 
>>> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/127991.html 
>>>
>>> [1] https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/opens.html
>>>
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>>
>> Keep in mind that the alternative to the Project Teams Gathering is 
>> not no Project Teams Gathering, it is projects meeting face-to-face 
>> after each of them organizied their own meeting. These used to be 
>> called mid-cycle meetups and the majority of them used to be held in 
>> the United States. Now I can't predict what will happen in the future, 
>> but should there be a void in frequency of face-to-face meetings that 
>> the PTG is currently filling, I would not be surprised to see 
>> individual projects plan their own face-to-face meetings of some kind 
>> regardless of what they are called.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Anita
>>
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> Anita,
> 
> We have already discussed this with the Cinder team and agreed that we 
> would want to go back to our mid-cycles in the absence of a PTG.
> 
> Jay
> (jungleboyj)

Thanks for sharing the data point Jay,
Anita

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