[openstack-dev] Pros and Cons of face-to-face meetings

Jay S Bryant jungleboyj at gmail.com
Thu Mar 8 18:24:52 UTC 2018



On 3/8/2018 12:22 PM, Anita Kuno wrote:
> On 2018-03-08 09:03 AM, Jens Harbott wrote:
>> With the current PTG just finished and seeing discussions happen about
>> the format of the next[0], it seems that the advantages of these seem
>> to be pretty clear to most, so let me use the occasion to remind
>> everyone of the disadvantages.
>>
>> Every meeting that is happening is excluding those contributors that
>> can not attend it. And with that it is violating the fourth Open
>> principle[1], having a community that is open to everyone. If you are
>> wondering whom this would affect, here's a non-exclusive (sic) list of
>> valid reasons not to attend physical meetings:
>>
>> - Health issues
>> - Privilege issues (like not getting visa or travel permits)
>> - Caretaking responsibilities (children, other family, animals, plants)
>> - Environmental concerns
>
> I'll add dislike for travel, which affects some of our contributors.
>
>>
>> So when you are considering whether it is worth the money and effort
>> to organise PTGs or similar events, I'd like you also to consider
>> those being excluded by such activities. It is not without a reason
>> that IRC and emails have been settled upon as preferred means of
>> communication. I'm not saying that physical meetings should be dropped
>> altogether, but maybe more effort can be placed into providing means
>> of remote participation, which might at least reduce some effects.
>>
>> [0] 
>> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/127991.html
>> [1] https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/opens.html
>>
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>
> Keep in mind that the alternative to the Project Teams Gathering is 
> not no Project Teams Gathering, it is projects meeting face-to-face 
> after each of them organizied their own meeting. These used to be 
> called mid-cycle meetups and the majority of them used to be held in 
> the United States. Now I can't predict what will happen in the future, 
> but should there be a void in frequency of face-to-face meetings that 
> the PTG is currently filling, I would not be surprised to see 
> individual projects plan their own face-to-face meetings of some kind 
> regardless of what they are called.
>
> Thank you,
> Anita
>
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Anita,

We have already discussed this with the Cinder team and agreed that we 
would want to go back to our mid-cycles in the absence of a PTG.

Jay
(jungleboyj)



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