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Frank,

We're getting a 404 when looking for the pot file on the Zanata API: 
https://translate.openstack.org/rest/file/translation/papers/papers/de/po?docId=edge-computing

As a result, we can't pull the po files.  Any idea what might be happening?

Seeing the same thing with both papers...

Thank you,
Jimmy

Frank Kloeker wrote:
> Hi Jimmy,
>
> Korean and German version are now done on the new format. Can you 
> check publishing?
>
> thx
>
> Frank
>
> Am 2018-07-19 16:47, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>> Hi all -
>>
>> Follow up on the Edge paper specifically:
>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/pot-translation/documents?dswid=-3192 
>>
>>
>> This is now available. As I mentioned on IRC this morning, it should
>> be VERY close to the PDF.  Probably just needs a quick review.
>>
>> Let me know if I can assist with anything.
>>
>> Thank you to i18n team for all of your help!!!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jimmy
>>
>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>> Ian raises some great points :) I'll try to address below...
>>>
>>> Ian Y. Choi wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> When I saw overall translation source strings on container 
>>>> whitepaper, I would infer that new edge computing whitepaper
>>>> source strings would include HTML markup tags.
>>> One of the things I discussed with Ian and Frank in Vancouver is the 
>>> expense of recreating PDFs with new translations.  It's 
>>> prohibitively expensive for the Foundation as it requires design 
>>> resources which we just don't have.  As a result, we created the 
>>> Containers whitepaper in HTML, so that it could be easily updated 
>>> w/o working with outside design contractors.  I indicated that we 
>>> would also be moving the Edge paper to HTML so that we could prevent 
>>> that additional design resource cost.
>>>> On the other hand, the source strings of edge computing whitepaper
>>>> which I18n team previously translated do not include HTML markup 
>>>> tags, since the source strings are based on just text format.
>>> The version that Akihiro put together was based on the Edge PDF, 
>>> which we unfortunately didn't have the resources to implement in the 
>>> same format.
>>>>
>>>> I really appreciate Akihiro's work on RST-based support on 
>>>> publishing translated edge computing whitepapers, since
>>>> translators do not have to re-translate all the strings.
>>> I would like to second this. It took a lot of initiative to work on 
>>> the RST-based translation.  At the moment, it's just not usable for 
>>> the reasons mentioned above.
>>>> On the other hand, it seems that I18n team needs to investigate on
>>>> translating similar strings of HTML-based edge computing whitepaper 
>>>> source strings, which would discourage translators.
>>> Can you expand on this? I'm not entirely clear on why the HTML based 
>>> translation is more difficult.
>>>>
>>>> That's my point of view on translating edge computing whitepaper.
>>>>
>>>> For translating container whitepaper, I want to further ask the 
>>>> followings since *I18n-based tools*
>>>> would mean for translators that translators can test and publish 
>>>> translated whitepapers locally:
>>>>
>>>> - How to build translated container whitepaper using original 
>>>> Silverstripe-based repository?
>>>>   https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/tools.html describes well 
>>>> how to build translated artifacts for RST-based OpenStack repositories
>>>>   but I could not find the way how to build translated container 
>>>> whitepaper with translated resources on Zanata.
>>> This is a little tricky.  It's possible to set up a local version of 
>>> the OpenStack website 
>>> (https://github.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org/blob/master/installation.md). 
>>>  However, we have to manually ingest the po files as they are 
>>> completed and then push them out to production, so that wouldn't do 
>>> much to help with your local build.  I'm open to suggestions on how 
>>> we can make this process easier for the i18n team.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Jimmy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With many thanks,
>>>>
>>>> /Ian
>>>>
>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote on 7/17/2018 11:01 PM:
>>>>> Frank,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry to hear about the displeasure around the Edge paper.  As 
>>>>> mentioned in a prior thread, the RST format that Akihiro worked 
>>>>> did not work with the  Zanata process that we have been using with 
>>>>> our CMS.  Additionally, the existing EDGE page is a PDF, so we had 
>>>>> to build a new template to work with the new HTML whitepaper 
>>>>> layout we created for the Containers paper. I outlined this in the 
>>>>> thread " [OpenStack-I18n] [Edge-computing] [Openstack-sigs] Edge 
>>>>> Computing Whitepaper Translation" on 6/25/18 and mentioned we 
>>>>> would be ready with the template around 7/13.
>>>>>
>>>>> We completed the work on the new whitepaper template and then put 
>>>>> out the pot files on Zanata so we can get the po language files 
>>>>> back. If this process is too cumbersome for the translation team, 
>>>>> I'm open to discussion, but right now our entire translation 
>>>>> process is based on the official OpenStack Docs translation 
>>>>> process outlined by the i18n team: 
>>>>> https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/en_GB/tools.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, I realize Akihiro put in some work on his own proposing the 
>>>>> new translation type. If the i18n team is moving to this format 
>>>>> instead, we can work on redoing our process.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please let me know if I can clarify further.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> permission was added for you and Sebastian. The Container 
>>>>>> Whitepaper is on the Zanata frontpage now. But we removed Edge 
>>>>>> Computing whitepaper last week because there is a kind of 
>>>>>> displeasure in the team since the results of translation are 
>>>>>> still not published beside Chinese version. It would be nice if 
>>>>>> we have a commitment from the Foundation that results are 
>>>>>> published in a specific timeframe. This includes your 
>>>>>> requirements until the translation should be available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thx Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 2018-07-16 17:26, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>>>> Sorry, I should have also added... we additionally need 
>>>>>>> permissions so
>>>>>>> that we can add the a new version of the pot file to this project:
>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/edge-computing/versions?dswid=-7835 
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have both of the current whitepapers up and available for 
>>>>>>>> translation.  Can we promote these on the Zanata homepage?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/leveraging-containers-openstack?dswid=5684 
>>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/master/documents?dswid=5684 
>>>>>>>> Thanks all!
>>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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