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Hi Jimmy,

Korean and German version are now done on the new format. Can you check 
publishing?

thx

Frank

Am 2018-07-19 16:47, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
> Hi all -
> 
> Follow up on the Edge paper specifically:
> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/pot-translation/documents?dswid=-3192
> 
> This is now available. As I mentioned on IRC this morning, it should
> be VERY close to the PDF.  Probably just needs a quick review.
> 
> Let me know if I can assist with anything.
> 
> Thank you to i18n team for all of your help!!!
> 
> Cheers,
> Jimmy
> 
> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>> Ian raises some great points :) I'll try to address below...
>> 
>> Ian Y. Choi wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> When I saw overall translation source strings on container 
>>> whitepaper, I would infer that new edge computing whitepaper
>>> source strings would include HTML markup tags.
>> One of the things I discussed with Ian and Frank in Vancouver is the 
>> expense of recreating PDFs with new translations.  It's prohibitively 
>> expensive for the Foundation as it requires design resources which we 
>> just don't have.  As a result, we created the Containers whitepaper in 
>> HTML, so that it could be easily updated w/o working with outside 
>> design contractors.  I indicated that we would also be moving the Edge 
>> paper to HTML so that we could prevent that additional design resource 
>> cost.
>>> On the other hand, the source strings of edge computing whitepaper
>>> which I18n team previously translated do not include HTML markup 
>>> tags, since the source strings are based on just text format.
>> The version that Akihiro put together was based on the Edge PDF, which 
>> we unfortunately didn't have the resources to implement in the same 
>> format.
>>> 
>>> I really appreciate Akihiro's work on RST-based support on publishing 
>>> translated edge computing whitepapers, since
>>> translators do not have to re-translate all the strings.
>> I would like to second this. It took a lot of initiative to work on 
>> the RST-based translation.  At the moment, it's just not usable for 
>> the reasons mentioned above.
>>> On the other hand, it seems that I18n team needs to investigate on
>>> translating similar strings of HTML-based edge computing whitepaper 
>>> source strings, which would discourage translators.
>> Can you expand on this? I'm not entirely clear on why the HTML based 
>> translation is more difficult.
>>> 
>>> That's my point of view on translating edge computing whitepaper.
>>> 
>>> For translating container whitepaper, I want to further ask the 
>>> followings since *I18n-based tools*
>>> would mean for translators that translators can test and publish 
>>> translated whitepapers locally:
>>> 
>>> - How to build translated container whitepaper using original 
>>> Silverstripe-based repository?
>>>   https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/tools.html describes well 
>>> how to build translated artifacts for RST-based OpenStack 
>>> repositories
>>>   but I could not find the way how to build translated container 
>>> whitepaper with translated resources on Zanata.
>> This is a little tricky.  It's possible to set up a local version of 
>> the OpenStack website 
>> (https://github.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org/blob/master/installation.md). 
>>  However, we have to manually ingest the po files as they are 
>> completed and then push them out to production, so that wouldn't do 
>> much to help with your local build.  I'm open to suggestions on how we 
>> can make this process easier for the i18n team.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Jimmy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> With many thanks,
>>> 
>>> /Ian
>>> 
>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote on 7/17/2018 11:01 PM:
>>>> Frank,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm sorry to hear about the displeasure around the Edge paper.  As 
>>>> mentioned in a prior thread, the RST format that Akihiro worked did 
>>>> not work with the  Zanata process that we have been using with our 
>>>> CMS.  Additionally, the existing EDGE page is a PDF, so we had to 
>>>> build a new template to work with the new HTML whitepaper layout we 
>>>> created for the Containers paper. I outlined this in the thread " 
>>>> [OpenStack-I18n] [Edge-computing] [Openstack-sigs] Edge Computing 
>>>> Whitepaper Translation" on 6/25/18 and mentioned we would be ready 
>>>> with the template around 7/13.
>>>> 
>>>> We completed the work on the new whitepaper template and then put 
>>>> out the pot files on Zanata so we can get the po language files 
>>>> back. If this process is too cumbersome for the translation team, 
>>>> I'm open to discussion, but right now our entire translation process 
>>>> is based on the official OpenStack Docs translation process outlined 
>>>> by the i18n team: 
>>>> https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/en_GB/tools.html
>>>> 
>>>> Again, I realize Akihiro put in some work on his own proposing the 
>>>> new translation type. If the i18n team is moving to this format 
>>>> instead, we can work on redoing our process.
>>>> 
>>>> Please let me know if I can clarify further.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jimmy
>>>> 
>>>> Frank Kloeker wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jimmy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> permission was added for you and Sebastian. The Container 
>>>>> Whitepaper is on the Zanata frontpage now. But we removed Edge 
>>>>> Computing whitepaper last week because there is a kind of 
>>>>> displeasure in the team since the results of translation are still 
>>>>> not published beside Chinese version. It would be nice if we have a 
>>>>> commitment from the Foundation that results are published in a 
>>>>> specific timeframe. This includes your requirements until the 
>>>>> translation should be available.
>>>>> 
>>>>> thx Frank
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 2018-07-16 17:26, schrieb Jimmy McArthur:
>>>>>> Sorry, I should have also added... we additionally need 
>>>>>> permissions so
>>>>>> that we can add the a new version of the pot file to this project:
>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/edge-computing/versions?dswid=-7835 
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jimmy McArthur wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We have both of the current whitepapers up and available for 
>>>>>>> translation.  Can we promote these on the Zanata homepage?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/project/view/leveraging-containers-openstack?dswid=5684 
>>>>>>> https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/edge-computing/master/documents?dswid=5684 
>>>>>>> Thanks all!
>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>> 
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