[openstack-dev] [tc][all] Move away from meeting channels

Jeremy Stanley fungi at yuggoth.org
Wed Jun 28 14:02:30 UTC 2017

On 2017-06-28 11:41:50 +0200 (+0200), Flavio Percoco wrote:
> On 27/06/17 18:22 +0000, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> >By lurking in official meeting channels I'm often able to jump
> >straight into a discussion when someone asks me a question in a
> >meeting I wouldn't normally attend but am around during. I can see
> >the discussion instantly up to that point as opposed to
> >inconveniencing the attendees by asking to have everything repeated
> >for me after /join'ing. The channel logs on eavesdrop.o.o aren't
> >really a substitute there because of the batched flushing in the bot
> >delays Web-based logs by some number of minutes.
> Would recommend folks pinging you (and others) on openstack-dev be
> enough? You can then momentarily join the channel and they can
> bring you up to speed, although it is not as convinient as just
> being there.

It will be a viable (if less convenient) workaround, sure. Most
often it comes up like:

    [protracted discussion of problem over several minutes time]
    <participant_A> we probably need to do [solution X]
    <participant_B> how do we go about accomplishing [solution X]?
    [long pause]
    <participant_C> maybe fungi knows... hey, fungi: you around?

If this were taking place on a less common channel I don't lurk in
(granted I've taken to lurking in lots of individual projects'
channels for similar reasons), then once they got me to /join they'd
have the pleasure of spending several minutes repeating themselves
to catch me up before I could answer.

> I'd also like to encourage folks to reach out on the ML if people
> don't happen to be around on IRC.

Yes, this I agree with. Contrary to popular belief, I am sometimes
briefly unconscious. However, people often forget or never get
around to doing that, so I'm happy when I can help more immediately
(or at least spot it in scrollback when my wetware comes out of
standby, and follow up with them at that time if it seems

Anyway, I don't think we need to propose "moving away from meeting
channels" but rather "allowing teams to not use meeting channels if
it's inconvenient for them." I expect many (most even?) teams who
continue to hold regularly scheduled meetings would do so in the
official meeting channels even if given the opportunity and freedom
to use a different channel.
Jeremy Stanley
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