[openstack-dev] [all][swg] per-project "Business only" moderated mailing lists

Morgan Fainberg morgan.fainberg at gmail.com
Mon Feb 27 17:33:45 UTC 2017

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 9:18 AM, Thierry Carrez <thierry at openstack.org>

> Dean Troyer wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:31 AM, Clint Byrum <clint at fewbar.com> wrote:
> >> This is not for users who only want to see some projects. That is a well
> >> understood space and the mailman filtering does handle it. This is for
> >> those who want to monitor the overall health of the community, address
> >> issues with cross-project specs, or participate in so many projects it
> >> makes little sense to spend time filtering.
> >
> > Monday morning and the caffiene is just beginning to reach my brain,
> > but this seems counter-intuitive to me.  I consider myself someone who
> > _does_ want to keep in touch with the majority of the community, and
> > breaking things into N additional mailing lists makes that harder, not
> > easier.  I _do_ include core team updates, mascots, social meetings in
> > that set of things to pay a little attention to here, especially
> > around summit/PTG/Forum/etc times.
> >
> > I've seen a couple of descriptions of who this proposal is not
> > intended to address, who exactly is expected to benefit from more
> > mailing lists?
> I'm not (yet) convinced that getting rid of 10% of ML messages (the ones
> that would go to the -business lists) is worth the hassle of setting up
> 50 new lists, have people subscribe to them, and have overworked PTL
> moderate them...
> Also from my experience moderating such a -business list (the
> openstack-tc list) I can say that it takes significant effort to avoid
> having general-interest discussions there (or to close them when they
> start from an innocent thread). Over those 50+ -business mailing-lists
> I'm pretty sure a few would diverge and use the convenience of isolated
> discussions without "outsiders" potentially chiming in. And they would
> be pretty hard to detect...
FWIW, If I was a PTL and had a list like that to moderate on top of all the
other things, I'd just send a message that the list was going to be turned
off effectively (no messages being passed through).

Moderated lists are important for some tasks. This really doesn't seem like
a good use of someone's time. I agree with Thierry, this seems like a lot
of hassle for a very small benefit.

With all that said, I am not a PTL and would not be moderating these new

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