[openstack-dev] [designate] Status of the project

Joshua Harlow harlowja at fastmail.com
Fri Feb 10 18:06:54 UTC 2017

Jay Pipes wrote:
> On 02/10/2017 12:21 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote:
>> Hayes, Graham wrote:
>>> The HTML version of this is here:
>>> http://graham.hayes.ie/posts/openstack-designate-where-we-are/
>>> I have been asked a few times recently "What is the state of the
>>> Designate
>>> project?", "How is Designate getting on?", and by people who know
>>> what is
>>> happening "What are you going to do about Designate?".
>>> Needless to say, all of this is depressing to me, and the people that
>>> I have
>>> worked with for the last number of years to make Designate a truly
>>> useful,
>>> feature rich project.
>>> *TL;DR;* for this - Designate is not in a sustainable place.
>>> To start out - Designate has always been a small project. DNS does not
>>> have
>>> massive *cool* appeal - its not shiny, pretty, or something you see on
>>> the
>>> front page of HackerNews (unless it breaks - then oh boy do people
>>> become DNS
>>> experts).
>> Thanks for posting this, I know it was not easy to write...
>> Knowing where this is at and the issues. It makes me wonder if it is
>> worthwhile to start thinking about how we can start to look at 'outside
>> the openstack' projects for DNS. I believe there is a few that are
>> similar enough to designate (though I don't know well enough) for
>> example things like SkyDNS (or others which I believe there are a few).
>> Perhaps we need to start thinking outside the openstack 'box' in regards
>> to NIH syndrome and accept the fact that we as a community may not be
>> able to recreate the world successfully in all cases (the same could be
>> said about things like k8s and others).
>> If we got out of the mindset of openstack as a thing must have tightly
>> integrated components (over all else) and started thinking about how we
>> can be much more loosely coupled (and even say integrating non-python,
>> non-openstack projects) would that be beneficial (I think it would)?
> This is already basically what Designate *is today*.
> http://docs.openstack.org/developer/designate/support-matrix.html
> Just because something is written in Golang and uses etcd for storage
> doesn't make it "better" or not NIH.

Agreed, do those other projects (written in golang, or etcd or other) 
have communities that are growing; can we ensure better success (and 
health of our own community) by partnering with them? That was the main 
point (I don't really care what language they are written in or what 
storage backend they use).

> For the record, the equivalent to Designate in k8s land is Kube2Sky, the
> real difference being that Designate has a whole lot more options when
> it comes to the DNS drivers and Designate integrates with OpenStack
> services like Keystone.

That's cool, thanks; TIL.

> Also, there's more to cloud DNS services than service discovery, which
> is what SkyDNS was written for.

Sure, it was just an example.

The point was along the lines of if a project in our community is 
struggling and there is a similar project outside of openstack (that is 
trying to do similar things) is not struggling; perhaps it's better to 
partner with that other project and enhance that other project (and then 
recommend said project as the next-generation of ${whatever_project} was 
struggling here).

Said evaluation is something that we would likely have to do over time 
as well (because as from this example, desigate was a larger group once, 
it is now smaller).

> best,
> -jay
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