[openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] Large Contributing OpenStack Operators working group?

Jay Pipes jaypipes at gmail.com
Mon Feb 6 17:46:58 UTC 2017

Just responding to the openstack-dev@ ML thread...

On 02/06/2017 11:37 AM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote:
> Jay,
> I don’t see a reference to the wiki page in your email and don’t
immediately see the LCOO working group wiki. From what you describe this
working group is not working within the framework of the 4 opens which
is one of OpenStack’s fundamental philosophies.

wiki page is here:


> Thanks for bringing up your questions; I hope someone that
> represents
this group can at least get this working group operating within the 4
opens framework if they are not already.

A number of folks have responded on the openstack-operators@ ML thread. 
My bad for posting to both MLs.

The openstack-operators@ thread is here:


Please do use the -operators@ thread for continued discussion.


> Regards -steve >
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Pipes <jaypipes at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org>
> Date: Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 1:14 PM
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> Subject: [openstack-dev] Large Contributing OpenStack Operators working	group?
>     Hi,
>     I was told about this group today. I have a few questions. Hopefully
>     someone from this team can illuminate me with some answers.
>     1) What is the purpose of this group? The wiki states that the team
>     "aims to define the use cases and identify and prioritise the
>     requirements which are needed to deploy, manage, and run services on top
>     of OpenStack. This work includes identifying functional gaps, creating
>     blueprints, submitting and reviewing patches to the relevant OpenStack
>     projects, contributing to working those items, tracking their completion."
>     What is the difference between the LCOO and the following existing
>     working groups?
>       * Large Deployment Team
>       * Massively Distributed Team
>       * Product Working Group
>       * Telco/NFV Working Group
>     2) According to the wiki page, only companies that are "Multi-Cloud
>     Operator[s] and/or Network Service Provider[s]" are welcome in this
>     team. Why is the team called "Large Contributing OpenStack Operators" if
>     it's only for Telcos? Further, if this is truly only for Telcos, why
>     isn't the Telco/NFV working group appropriate?
>     3) Under the "Guiding principles" section of the above wiki, the top
>     principle is "Align with the OpenStack Foundation". If this is the case,
>     why did the group move its content to the closed Atlassian Confuence
>     platform? Why does the group have a set of separate Slack channels
>     instead of using the OpenStack mailing lists and IRC channels? Why is
>     the OPNFV Jira used for tracking work items for the LCOO agenda?
>     See https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gluon/Tasks-Ocata for examples.
>     4) I see a lot of agenda items around projects like Gluon, Craton,
>     Watcher, and Blazar. I don't see any concrete ideas about talking with
>     the developers of the key infrastructure services that OpenStack is
>     built around. How does the LCOO plan on reaching out to the developers
>     of the long-standing OpenStack projects like Nova, Neutron, Cinder, and
>     Keystone to drive their shared agenda?
>     Thanks for reading and (hopefully) answering.
>     -jay
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