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The idea is great, no doubt here, meaning mentoring and everything, but it should not come with price of reducing quality control. 2 x +2 +w should still be required from “regular” cores for PS to merge.

Serguei

From: Richard Wellum [mailto:richwellum at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][nova] Starting a core reviewer mentorship program for Kolla deliverables

As a relatively new member of the openstack community I think the idea of a mentorship program is a good one; I'd like to throw my hat in the ring if the kolla community needs a guinea-pig to try this on. :)

Rich

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 7:53 PM Matt Riedemann <mriedemos at gmail.com<mailto:mriedemos at gmail.com>> wrote:
On 4/12/2017 3:40 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote:
> Matt,
>
> Thanks for the response.  It is helpful.
>
> Regards
> -steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Riedemann <mriedemos at gmail.com<mailto:mriedemos at gmail.com>>
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> Date: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 4:36 PM
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> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [kolla][nova] Starting a core reviewer mentorship program for Kolla deliverables
>
>     On 4/12/2017 11:59 AM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote:
>     > Hey folks,
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > In today’s Kolla team meeting, the idea was proposed of adopting nova’s
>     > “protocore” mentorship program for Kolla.  We would like to know what
>     > nova has learned from this effort.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > In today’s Kolla meeting we had broad consensus on the following:
>     >
>     > 1)       Kolla has participants that want to be core reviewers
>     >
>     > 2)       These participants don’t know how to become core reviewers
>     >
>     > 3)       The core reviewers in Kolla should mentor “protocore” reviewers
>     > on how to do good reviews
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > From that, we concluded some form of mentorship program for potential
>     > core reviewers was in order.  We got into some debate about _/how/_ the
>     > program should be rolled out.  Let’s use this thread to discuss how it
>     > should be rolled out since that seems to be the sticking point of the
>     > discussion.  I saw no dissent in the discussion that the basic concepts
>     > were a negative change.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > I am aware that nova uses a +1 review from a “protocore” and a +2/+w
>     > from a core reviewer prior to merge.  Nova cores – would you mind
>     > defining your process (on the ml is fine) more thoroughly and your
>     > experiences so we can learn from you?
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > All kolla contributors, feel free to debate the **how** such a
>     > mentorship program should be rolled out.  I think we have a lot to learn
>     > from our peers in the OpenStack community and learning from their
>     > experiences may be helpful.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Regards
>     >
>     > -steve
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
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>     Nova has this thing? That's news to me. :)
>
>     I don't think Nova has a formal process for something like this. There
>     was talk at the BCN summit about giving some people +2 rights on parts
>     of the tree but not full core on everything. We never implemented that.
>
>     Maybe what you're referring to is how we consider a +1 from a domain
>     expert like a +2, or at least something that's good to have before cores
>     are looking into the change in more detail? For example, gibi is the
>     lead for the versioned notifications effort and we/I generally look for
>     his +1 on a change before digging into it, or approving it. We have
>     similar unofficial things like this in other parts of Nova, or subteams,
>     like Timofey and Pawel with the live migration subteam.
>
>     To be sure, someone that is leading a subteam effort and is looked to
>     for their opinion on a whole series of changes eventually gets into the
>     conversation when we're talking about potential core reviewers, in part
>     because, at least I personally, am looking for not only strong code
>     review skills but also leadership/ownership within the project, because
>     those are also the people that tend to stick around awhile so I'm more
>     comfortable investing my time into them (and building a trust
>     relationship with them).
>
>     So that's all unofficial non-formal stuff and basically grew up
>     organically around the subteam efforts that started several releases
>     ago. I don't know if this helps you or not.
>
>     --
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Matt
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By the way, I should add, while we look for a +1 from a subteam or
domain expert, it does not equate to a +2 so that a core can come along
and +2/+W. We still require 2 +2s.

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Thanks,

Matt

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