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Hey Roman,

Thank you for bringing this up. +1 from my side, especially taking
into account the patch where we tried to solve logrotated logs problem
[1]. It's complex and unsupportable, as well as already existed
logview code in Nailgun.

Patrick, Simon,

Does LMA plugin support logs from master node? Or it's designed to
watch environment's logs?

Thanks,
Igor


[1]: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243240/

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Patrick Petit <ppetit at mirantis.com> wrote:
> Fuelers,
>
> As Simon said, we already have a log centralisation solution for MOS
> delivered as a Fuel plugins known as StackLight / LMA toolset. And so
> objectively, there is no need to have log management in Nailgun anymore. To
> go one step further we suggested several times to have a StackLight agent
> installed on the Fuel master node to also collect and centralise those logs.
> There is a little bit of a chicken and egg problem to resolve but I think it
> is worth a try to have that nailed down in the roadmap for Fuel 10.
> Cheers
>  - Patrick
>
>
> On 11 March 2016 at 10:07:28, Simon Pasquier (spasquier at mirantis.com) wrote:
>
> Hello Roman,
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Roman Prykhodchenko <me at romcheg.me> wrote:
>>
>> Fuelers,
>>
>> I remember we’ve discussing this topic in our couloirs before but I’d like
>> to bring that discussion to a more official format.
>>
>> Let me state a few reasons to do this:
>>
>> - Log management code in Nailgun is overcomplicated
>> - Working with logs on big scale deployments is barely possible given the
>> current representation
>> - Due to overcomplexity and ineffectiveness of the code we always get
>> recurring bugs like [1]. That eats tons of time to resolve.
>> - There are much better specialized tools, say Logstash [2], that can deal
>> with logs much more effectively.
>>
>>
>> There may be more reasons bus I think even the already mentioned ones are
>> enough to think about the following proposal:
>>
>> - Remove Logs tab from Fuel Web UI
>> - Remove logs support from Nailgun
>> - Create mechanism that allows to configure different log management
>> software, say Logstash, Loggly, etc
>>
>> - Choose a default software to install and provide a plugin for it from
>> the box
>
>
> This is what the LMA/StackLight plugins [1][2] are meant for. No need to
> develop anything new.
>
> And I'm +1 with the removal of log management from Fuel. As you said, it
> can't scale...
>
> [1] http://fuel-plugin-lma-collector.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
> [2] http://fuel-plugin-elasticsearch-kibana.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> References
>> 1.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1553170
>> 2. https://www.elastic.co/products/logstash
>>
>>
>> - romcheg
>>
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