[openstack-dev] [all] A proposal to separate the design summit

Clark, Robert Graham robert.clark at hpe.com
Thu Feb 25 14:02:48 UTC 2016

+1 For security too, this exactly mirrors our experience.

From: Duncan Thomas [mailto:duncan.thomas at gmail.com]
Sent: 24 February 2016 12:55
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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] A proposal to separate the design summit

On 22 February 2016 at 23:11, Devananda van der Veen <devananda.vdv at gmail.com<mailto:devananda.vdv at gmail.com>> wrote:
On 02/22/2016 09:45 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:

The split should ideally reduce the needs to organize separate in-person mid-cycle events. If some are still needed, the main conference venue and time could easily be used to provide space for such midcycle events (given that it would end up happening in the middle of the cycle).

If this "extra midcycle" is sanctioned by the foundation, even if optional, I'm concerned that it would grow until developer attendance is expected again. That said, I can appreciate the need to keep the option open for now. Perhaps if the Conference organizers include a hack-space and allow developers to self-organize if present, it will avoid the draw that a formal midcycle has?

The cinder mid-cycle is, by far, out most productive part of the cycle, and this has been true for two cycles now. The midcycle is already much, much cheaper to attend than the foundation events, and I think the bulk of the productivity comes from the fact that all of the people are totally focused on one thing - there's no running out to do something else, little scheduling around other commitments (except remote attendees) and plenty of opportunity to circle back around to things. The massive progress we made at the Cinder midcycle only happened because we came back to it I think four times - the kind of thinking and communication needed often doesn't fit into slots and sessions, and really needs the bandwidth of face to face time.
I now think the cinder mid-cycle is more valuable for many devs, and much cheaper, than the foundation events. I don't see that this proposal will actually increase that value at all.

Duncan Thomas
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