[openstack-dev] [all] A proposal to separate the design summit

Duncan Thomas duncan.thomas at gmail.com
Wed Feb 24 12:55:01 UTC 2016

On 22 February 2016 at 23:11, Devananda van der Veen <
devananda.vdv at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 02/22/2016 09:45 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:

> The split should ideally reduce the needs to organize separate in-person
> mid-cycle events. If some are still needed, the main conference venue and
> time could easily be used to provide space for such midcycle events (given
> that it would end up happening in the middle of the cycle).
> If this "extra midcycle" is sanctioned by the foundation, even if
> optional, I'm concerned that it would grow until developer attendance is
> expected again. That said, I can appreciate the need to keep the option
> open for now. Perhaps if the Conference organizers include a hack-space and
> allow developers to self-organize if present, it will avoid the draw that a
> formal midcycle has?

The cinder mid-cycle is, by far, out most productive part of the cycle, and
this has been true for two cycles now. The midcycle is already much, much
cheaper to attend than the foundation events, and I think the bulk of the
productivity comes from the fact that all of the people are totally focused
on one thing - there's no running out to do something else, little
scheduling around other commitments (except remote attendees) and plenty of
opportunity to circle back around to things. The massive progress we made
at the Cinder midcycle only happened because we came back to it I think
four times - the kind of thinking and communication needed often doesn't
fit into slots and sessions, and really needs the bandwidth of face to face

I now think the cinder mid-cycle is more valuable for many devs, and much
cheaper, than the foundation events. I don't see that this proposal will
actually increase that value at all.

Duncan Thomas
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